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But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods

But it’s all a giant conspiracy dude! The vaccines which nobody is taking and cost under $20 are worth pharma companies engaging in secret underhanded methods to hurt other vaccines (even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public).

ekianjo 4y ago
> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public) Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.
- SquareWheel 4y ago
  Pfizer did not accept US government funding, and as such did not have to share the same data that other companies did. You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    Ever heard of the Freedom of Information Act? The Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency has sued the FDA so that they would release documents related to the review of the vaccines. https://phmpt.org/ https://phmpt.org/ > You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread. Funny that quite a few actual doctors subscribe to my fear mongering as they signed this request. Ever wondered if your point is valid?
- peter422 4y ago
  https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download You think the FDA is going to make a decision about a vaccine without a preregistered, public, clinical trial?
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    Go ahead and request the data and see if you can actually get it. The FDA is so corrupt that who would actually trust them after the opoids crisis?
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junofan 4y ago
If you want to make claims regulated by the FDA, you have to hire all these FDA consultants, many of whom are former FDA employees. They don’t seem to do much IME. So there’s a serious revolving door problem worth investigating in the case of these vaccines, though I’m not sure that’s secret, underhanded, or necessarily hurting other vaccines.
jtc331 4y ago
> cost under $20 Per-dose cost is meaningless. Now do “multi billion dollar government paid for contracts”.
- peter422 4y ago
  Yes they have huge contracts but they also have to produce the vaccine! And the vaccine could be waaay more expensive given its value to the people who took it. Merck stock (no vaccine) had the exact same return as Pfizer over the past 5 years. Now Moderna is up 800%, so maybe look their way if you are concerned about a conspiracy.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    Look at the balance sheet not the stock market reaction. The vaccines are arguably being marketed to people for whom its more expensive than its worth: the young and healthy.
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
$20 times a billion people times multiple doses is a lot of money. And I think it's more than a billion people...

ekianjo 4y ago

> even though all their FDA filings and research are mostly public) Can you point me again to Pfizer's public data about the mRNA trials? Because I'm pretty sure it was never shared.

SquareWheel 4y ago
Pfizer did not accept US government funding, and as such did not have to share the same data that other companies did. You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  Ever heard of the Freedom of Information Act? The Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency has sued the FDA so that they would release documents related to the review of the vaccines. https://phmpt.org/ https://phmpt.org/ > You're posting an excessive amount of fear mongering in this thread. Funny that quite a few actual doctors subscribe to my fear mongering as they signed this request. Ever wondered if your point is valid?
peter422 4y ago
https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144337/download You think the FDA is going to make a decision about a vaccine without a preregistered, public, clinical trial?
- ekianjo 4y ago
  Go ahead and request the data and see if you can actually get it. The FDA is so corrupt that who would actually trust them after the opoids crisis?

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junofan 4y ago

If you want to make claims regulated by the FDA, you have to hire all these FDA consultants, many of whom are former FDA employees. They don’t seem to do much IME. So there’s a serious revolving door problem worth investigating in the case of these vaccines, though I’m not sure that’s secret, underhanded, or necessarily hurting other vaccines.

jtc331 4y ago

> cost under $20 Per-dose cost is meaningless. Now do “multi billion dollar government paid for contracts”.

peter422 4y ago
Yes they have huge contracts but they also have to produce the vaccine! And the vaccine could be waaay more expensive given its value to the people who took it. Merck stock (no vaccine) had the exact same return as Pfizer over the past 5 years. Now Moderna is up 800%, so maybe look their way if you are concerned about a conspiracy.
- peteradio 4y ago
  Look at the balance sheet not the stock market reaction. The vaccines are arguably being marketed to people for whom its more expensive than its worth: the young and healthy.

tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago

$20 times a billion people times multiple doses is a lot of money. And I think it's more than a billion people...