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Call me a puritan, but I'm pretty sure just giving people a way to readily kill themselves is not the way to address the problem. You do the exact opposite of

by starkd 4y ago

Call me a puritan, but I'm pretty sure just giving people a way to readily kill themselves is not the way to address the problem. You do the exact opposite of that. Some things are absolutes. This is one of them.

tenacious_tuna 4y ago
I think it's remarkably reductionist to frame OP as "just giving people a way to readily kill themselves." They went to some lengths to stress how it wouldn't in fact be "readily" available, but a lengthy process with many avenues in which people could constructively offer an alternative to whatever the person's problem might be. I think it's a very similar approach to drugs in certain countries: you decriminalize them, in some cases provide government-funded drugs, provide places with trained medical staff for people to do their drugs in, and provide excellent addiction counseling. If they overdose, there's medical staff. If the drugs are government-provided, then they're pure and not cut with problematic substances. If the person wants assistance with the addiction, they don't have a criminal record, don't have to contend with an erratic supply while they wean off / switch to something else, and have lots of non-judgemental support. I think it's quite reasonable to take a similar approach with suicide: de-stigmatize it so it's possible to talk to people constructively, and very likely engage with many for whom there's a better path. Simultaneously, provide a way for people to gracefully exit life when that truly is the best option, instead of (for example) wasting away in a hospital in pain.
- throwaway742 4y ago
  I have personally experienced in the past (not now I am not a danger to myself or others) an inability to accurately discuss my current state of mind with my doctor out of a fear I would be involuntarily deprived of my liberty. Most people don't want to be locked up, but it serves neither party when you have a fear of discussing your actual symptoms.
troyvit 4y ago
Really? I think that kind of thinking is what has allowed > 7 billion people to run rampant over the earth, screwing up everything they see and just generally turning it into the sinking cesspool that makes so many people want to kill themselves to begin with. There's nothing absolute about human life except that it's a net negative for the planet unlike any other life here.
Meltiono 4y ago
'readily' we are not talking about the sucidie booth from futurama. Sorry but please try to avoid creating a strong opinion if you haven't even thought about the issue in hand in more indempth than 'readily'. Btw. for further thoughts: Imagine that getting sucidie support takes 3 years. It involves different doctors, mandatory therapy and than you have the approval to do so. Wouldn't you think this would potentially even lead to more people NOT killing themselfs? Basically helping people to commit suicide as a form of preventing sucidie? I would believe so. No one just kills themselfs. The same reasoning btw. (i know it wasn't mentioned but out of personal expierience i just wanna mention it) its the same with abortion. No one just does an abortion.

by starkd 4y ago

tenacious_tuna 4y ago

I think it's remarkably reductionist to frame OP as "just giving people a way to readily kill themselves." They went to some lengths to stress how it wouldn't in fact be "readily" available, but a lengthy process with many avenues in which people could constructively offer an alternative to whatever the person's problem might be. I think it's a very similar approach to drugs in certain countries: you decriminalize them, in some cases provide government-funded drugs, provide places with trained medical staff for people to do their drugs in, and provide excellent addiction counseling. If they overdose, there's medical staff. If the drugs are government-provided, then they're pure and not cut with problematic substances. If the person wants assistance with the addiction, they don't have a criminal record, don't have to contend with an erratic supply while they wean off / switch to something else, and have lots of non-judgemental support. I think it's quite reasonable to take a similar approach with suicide: de-stigmatize it so it's possible to talk to people constructively, and very likely engage with many for whom there's a better path. Simultaneously, provide a way for people to gracefully exit life when that truly is the best option, instead of (for example) wasting away in a hospital in pain.

throwaway742 4y ago
I have personally experienced in the past (not now I am not a danger to myself or others) an inability to accurately discuss my current state of mind with my doctor out of a fear I would be involuntarily deprived of my liberty. Most people don't want to be locked up, but it serves neither party when you have a fear of discussing your actual symptoms.

troyvit 4y ago

Really? I think that kind of thinking is what has allowed > 7 billion people to run rampant over the earth, screwing up everything they see and just generally turning it into the sinking cesspool that makes so many people want to kill themselves to begin with. There's nothing absolute about human life except that it's a net negative for the planet unlike any other life here.

Meltiono 4y ago

'readily' we are not talking about the sucidie booth from futurama. Sorry but please try to avoid creating a strong opinion if you haven't even thought about the issue in hand in more indempth than 'readily'. Btw. for further thoughts: Imagine that getting sucidie support takes 3 years. It involves different doctors, mandatory therapy and than you have the approval to do so. Wouldn't you think this would potentially even lead to more people NOT killing themselfs? Basically helping people to commit suicide as a form of preventing sucidie? I would believe so. No one just kills themselfs. The same reasoning btw. (i know it wasn't mentioned but out of personal expierience i just wanna mention it) its the same with abortion. No one just does an abortion.