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The GI Bill had problems with racism [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Racial_discrimination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Racial_discr

The GI Bill had problems with racism [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Racial_discrimination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Racial_discriminatio...

spacemanmatt 4y ago
Facts hurt huh
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  You've just pointing out that 1940s America suffered from very notable racism. It's not a very surprising statement, nor was it unique to the GI bill. Racial bias being intentional or not, the ideas of the GI bill seem like they would have worked even if they weren't targeting certain classes of people, making the idea of the bill good. That's the interesting conversation.
  - spacemanmatt 4y ago
    No, I'm pointing out that when we collectively try to help just one class of people it turns into a predictable shitshow. It's not unique to the GI bill but it is absolutely a valid criticism.
danans 4y ago
Absolutely. African Americans were excluded from its benefits by a viciously racist society. We should rectify that today. But it doesn't detract at all from the fact that investment in regular "non-genius" people (whether via the GI Bill or otherwise) had a fundamentally positive impact on the society.
- spacemanmatt 4y ago
  - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
    His literal first line and 50% of his total statement: > Absolutely. African Americans were excluded from its benefits by a viciously racist society. We should rectify that today.
    - spacemanmatt 4y ago
      ...then follows it with complete dismissal of their opportunity cost and our loss of their productivity. Which is what I addressed, because it undermined what seemed to be an otherwise decent statement.
      - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
        Please refer to the first or third definitions of the word "rectify" here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rectify https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rectify You are arguing against something he did not say. So to make it easier for you, he is saying: 1. We should correct the wrongs that we have inflicted upon African-Americans in the past, including opportunity costs. 2. We should also recognize that making an investment in all people is a net benefit for our society I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.
        spacemanmatt 4y ago
        The disparity of benefits provided by the GI bill yielded exactly a modern racial disparity. I think you and OP are on the short side of explaining why such an overtly racist event can be described as a net benefit. The sentiment that you believe it should be better does have any weight in this context.
        MisterBastahrd 4y ago
        I've already explained it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
  - panza 4y ago

The GI Bill had problems with racism [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Racial_discrimination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Racial_discriminatio...

spacemanmatt 4y ago

Facts hurt huh

xboxnolifes 4y ago
You've just pointing out that 1940s America suffered from very notable racism. It's not a very surprising statement, nor was it unique to the GI bill. Racial bias being intentional or not, the ideas of the GI bill seem like they would have worked even if they weren't targeting certain classes of people, making the idea of the bill good. That's the interesting conversation.
- spacemanmatt 4y ago
  No, I'm pointing out that when we collectively try to help just one class of people it turns into a predictable shitshow. It's not unique to the GI bill but it is absolutely a valid criticism.

danans 4y ago

Absolutely. African Americans were excluded from its benefits by a viciously racist society. We should rectify that today. But it doesn't detract at all from the fact that investment in regular "non-genius" people (whether via the GI Bill or otherwise) had a fundamentally positive impact on the society.

spacemanmatt 4y ago
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  His literal first line and 50% of his total statement: > Absolutely. African Americans were excluded from its benefits by a viciously racist society. We should rectify that today.
  - spacemanmatt 4y ago
    ...then follows it with complete dismissal of their opportunity cost and our loss of their productivity. Which is what I addressed, because it undermined what seemed to be an otherwise decent statement.
    - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
      Please refer to the first or third definitions of the word "rectify" here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rectify https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rectify You are arguing against something he did not say. So to make it easier for you, he is saying: 1. We should correct the wrongs that we have inflicted upon African-Americans in the past, including opportunity costs. 2. We should also recognize that making an investment in all people is a net benefit for our society I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.
      - spacemanmatt 4y ago
        The disparity of benefits provided by the GI bill yielded exactly a modern racial disparity. I think you and OP are on the short side of explaining why such an overtly racist event can be described as a net benefit. The sentiment that you believe it should be better does have any weight in this context.
        MisterBastahrd 4y ago
        I've already explained it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
- panza 4y ago