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>30 people died total. Those are the official Soviet figures, right? My understanding is that these were laughably understated. I don't disagree with the res

>30 people died total. Those are the official Soviet figures, right? My understanding is that these were laughably understated. I don't disagree with the rest of your analysis, but my experience is that people become more hostile to nuclear power when we fail to be transparent with the numbers. Moreover, even if we assume a liberal 10k deaths from the Chernobyl reactor, the math still works out in your favor.

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peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Those are the official Soviet figures, right? official international numbers There is consensus that a total of approximately 30 people died from immediate blast trauma and acute radiation syndrome (ARS) in the seconds to months after the disaster, respectively, with 60 in total in the decades since, inclusive of later radiation induced cancer The contested numbers are those related to long term radiation exposure There is no strong evidence of an increase in deaths https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_...
- culopatin 4y ago
  If you talk to people born in the late 80s to early 90s in the areas near Chernobyl you’ll find out that many kids died in their teens and early 20s or are living with cancer today. Maybe they didn’t die, but they no longer have thyroids. Saying that 60 total died from Chernobyl is insulting.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    WHO talked to them Still no strong evidence found WHO is not working for USSR AFAIK > that many kids died in their teens and early 20s or are living with cancer today. that's not surprising there are many people who are living with cancer worldwide radiation exposure is not the only cause for cancer I truly wish it was My dad worked in oncology, he saw too many people die of cancer in the past 45 years. Long before Chernobyl was a thing. > Maybe they didn’t die, but they no longer have thyroids Half of my family no longer has thyroids, they are all from Italy, born between 1945 and 1974. All of them are still alive and well. > Saying that 60 total died from Chernobyl is insulting but it still might be the truth
    - culopatin 4y ago
      High rates of cancer in teenagers is not surprising? I’m not talking about 50+, I’m talking about tumors at 16-25 at a rate high enough that you can ask a Belarusian kid if they still talk to their high school friends and they’ll answer “many died already” which is not the normal answer you get from those questions. I don’t understand your correlation of people who are 90 without thyroids vs people in their 20s that had tumors and had to have them removed. Your dads job is to see people with cancer, of course he sees a lot of them. It’s like a mechanic saying “I see lots of broken engines, therefore any engine that’s broken is normal, even if it’s at 20000km”
- omginternets 4y ago
  Fair enough, though detractors would probably quibble about the “direct” part.

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peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> Those are the official Soviet figures, right? official international numbers There is consensus that a total of approximately 30 people died from immediate blast trauma and acute radiation syndrome (ARS) in the seconds to months after the disaster, respectively, with 60 in total in the decades since, inclusive of later radiation induced cancer The contested numbers are those related to long term radiation exposure There is no strong evidence of an increase in deaths https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_...

culopatin 4y ago
If you talk to people born in the late 80s to early 90s in the areas near Chernobyl you’ll find out that many kids died in their teens and early 20s or are living with cancer today. Maybe they didn’t die, but they no longer have thyroids. Saying that 60 total died from Chernobyl is insulting.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  WHO talked to them Still no strong evidence found WHO is not working for USSR AFAIK > that many kids died in their teens and early 20s or are living with cancer today. that's not surprising there are many people who are living with cancer worldwide radiation exposure is not the only cause for cancer I truly wish it was My dad worked in oncology, he saw too many people die of cancer in the past 45 years. Long before Chernobyl was a thing. > Maybe they didn’t die, but they no longer have thyroids Half of my family no longer has thyroids, they are all from Italy, born between 1945 and 1974. All of them are still alive and well. > Saying that 60 total died from Chernobyl is insulting but it still might be the truth
  - culopatin 4y ago
    High rates of cancer in teenagers is not surprising? I’m not talking about 50+, I’m talking about tumors at 16-25 at a rate high enough that you can ask a Belarusian kid if they still talk to their high school friends and they’ll answer “many died already” which is not the normal answer you get from those questions. I don’t understand your correlation of people who are 90 without thyroids vs people in their 20s that had tumors and had to have them removed. Your dads job is to see people with cancer, of course he sees a lot of them. It’s like a mechanic saying “I see lots of broken engines, therefore any engine that’s broken is normal, even if it’s at 20000km”
omginternets 4y ago
Fair enough, though detractors would probably quibble about the “direct” part.