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I feel like this is why unions are so important for lower wage jobs. If my employer wanted to spy on me via Webcam I could simply refuse and tell them I'll wal
by devmor 4y ago
I feel like this is why unions are so important for lower wage jobs.
If my employer wanted to spy on me via Webcam I could simply refuse and tell them I'll walk because I'm confident that my specialization would keep me employed, or at worst have me onboarded elsewhere within a week or two.
People in these high turnover type jobs don't have the luxury to demand to be treated with basic human decency unless they band together. It's sickening.
- cududa 4y agoWhy in the world is this downvoted? I’d genuinely like to understand what’s disagreeable about this take.
- manimino 4y agoPossibly because it implies that higher-demand jobs do not need unions. Which is a position some may disagree with.
- jagged-chisel 4y agoNot arguing directly with you, but the sentiment you suspect others have - I agree some may read GP this way. It’s a bit of a leap from “With my job, I have the luxury of…” to “Unions for my job are not needed.”
- devmor 4y agoI definitely do not intend to imply that. But I do believe unions are much more imminently necessary for those who aren't in high demand.
- Ar-Curunir 4y agoThat would be an asinine interpretation of the comment. How can "A needs B" imply "C does not need B"?
- Kaze404 4y agoThat's not really what happened. Reading "low wage jobs need unions" as implying "high wage jobs do not need unions" seems reasonable to me, because there's no need to specify "low wage jobs" if the distinction wasn't necessary.
- squarefoot 4y agoProbably because HR and management are among the higher paid jobs, which not only don't need unions but flat out hate them.
- Sebguer 4y agoGiven how anti-union HN and tech generally is, this is a pretty charitable read.
- andrepd 4y agoBecause this website is mostly frequented by highly specialised professionals, which some times do not empathise with the struggles of lower-wage workers.
- sumedh 4y ago> which some times do not empathise with the struggles of lower-wage workers. I was having a conversation with a programmer, I told him I am worried about driverless tech becoming mainstreams and people losing their jobs which is not good for society. The other guy said dont worry they will find another job, that is when I realised that people in Tech live in their own bubble.
- sbuk 4y agoSignificantly better employment law and employee rights would help.
- phpisthebest 4y agoWhy do people believe that unions are a magic bullet and that in a unionshop something like this would be impossible? I am here to tell you anyone that claims that clearly has no experience with US employment unions While true the union will protect lazy, long tenured employees that do not rock the boat, follow the rules, and do the exact amount of required work (no more or less) Troublesome employees, that rock the boat, are toss out just as fast in a union shop, there is just more paperwork
- kcplate 4y agoVery true, after the employment agreement is made, a union doesn’t protect the employee who is intentionally violating company policies as part of the agreement. It basically protects the employee from the company from intentionally violating their own policies towards the employee by giving them a layer of due process before they are terminated. People on here might try to argue that the union would never allow surveillance, but I know from experience working in a union company, unionized employees were directly surveilled, supervised, and measured.
- devmor 4y agoA union is what the label says. It's a union of employees. If your union is bad and everyone knows it's bad but doesn't do anything to change it, you're treating it like another employer. You have to get involved.
- mchusma 4y agoI think unions for remote customer service roles would be counterproductive. Why would the company not just move the operation overseas? I don't like unions in most cases, but I honestly think it would be a really bad idea in this case.
- hourago 4y agoUnions are important for all jobs, ask the pilots Union, for example. If you get X you can get even more of you have a better negotiating power.