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> I was referring to the complete lack of flow control. Could you compile the compiler with itself, for example? This is not a requirement for it to be a compi

> I was referring to the complete lack of flow control. Could you compile the compiler with itself, for example? This is not a requirement for it to be a compiler. > They are also VM-based, and self-compiling, yet still tiny. I think they really raised the bar on what a tiny-and-complete compiler is. The purpose of OP's compiler is educational so this comparison makes no sense.

userbinator 4y ago
- user5678 4y ago
  - userbinator 4y ago
    I thought personal insults and appeal to authority were frowned upon here.
    - survirtual 4y ago
      It is, but I think he is understandably upset because people are engaging with you in good faith but you aren’t reading or acknowledging what they write. Sometimes, it’s good to just take a step back and start with something like “Oops, I missed you are a professor and this is a teaching tool. Disregard that part. I do think, however…” Otherwise, you’re bound to annoy someone even if you think you are technically contributing.
      - userbinator 4y ago
        The whole point is that I absolutely don't care who or what he is; everyone can learn from the C4 family, and if anything, it would be highly suited to someone teaching compilers. Otherwise, you’re bound to annoy someone I see the title has been changed now, but I was certainly annoyed when it was advertised here as a "complete" compiler.
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    - klohto 4y ago
      Telling a professor to take C4x86, twice nonetheless, is itching me to create throwaway as well
      - user5678 4y ago
- mirekrusin 4y ago
  You did pick up that the author is an associate professor teaching classes, not a student, right?
- rdevnull 4y ago
  seriously he did tell you to read the original post and just a couple of click laters you can find out the OP is a professor not a student..
- tiagoleifert 4y ago
  How studying something super optimized to be small is more practical than learning something step by step? I am not saying studying those tiny compilers is not useful, just that they are not a good starting point for most people. First you need to learn the basics then you can learn (and appreciate) those tiny compilers.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    It's because everything can be seen at once. The feeling of "that's it?" when you realise the underlying simplicity. Most people think compilers must be incomprehensibly complex. Yet the truth is far from that.
jhgb 4y ago
While it may not be "a requirement", considering that the very first compiler I'm aware of (Böhm's) was already written in itself, it's a fairly valid question why wouldn't you make an educational compiler with these properties.
- abecedarius 4y ago
  > an educational compiler with these properties Far from the only one, but here was mine: https://codewords.recurse.com/issues/seven/dragon-taming-with-tailbiter-a-bytecode-compiler https://codewords.recurse.com/issues/seven/dragon-taming-wit...

userbinator 4y ago

user5678 4y ago
- userbinator 4y ago
  I thought personal insults and appeal to authority were frowned upon here.
  - survirtual 4y ago
    It is, but I think he is understandably upset because people are engaging with you in good faith but you aren’t reading or acknowledging what they write. Sometimes, it’s good to just take a step back and start with something like “Oops, I missed you are a professor and this is a teaching tool. Disregard that part. I do think, however…” Otherwise, you’re bound to annoy someone even if you think you are technically contributing.
    - userbinator 4y ago
      The whole point is that I absolutely don't care who or what he is; everyone can learn from the C4 family, and if anything, it would be highly suited to someone teaching compilers. Otherwise, you’re bound to annoy someone I see the title has been changed now, but I was certainly annoyed when it was advertised here as a "complete" compiler.
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  - klohto 4y ago
    Telling a professor to take C4x86, twice nonetheless, is itching me to create throwaway as well
    - user5678 4y ago
mirekrusin 4y ago
You did pick up that the author is an associate professor teaching classes, not a student, right?
rdevnull 4y ago
seriously he did tell you to read the original post and just a couple of click laters you can find out the OP is a professor not a student..
tiagoleifert 4y ago
How studying something super optimized to be small is more practical than learning something step by step? I am not saying studying those tiny compilers is not useful, just that they are not a good starting point for most people. First you need to learn the basics then you can learn (and appreciate) those tiny compilers.
- userbinator 4y ago
  It's because everything can be seen at once. The feeling of "that's it?" when you realise the underlying simplicity. Most people think compilers must be incomprehensibly complex. Yet the truth is far from that.

jhgb 4y ago

While it may not be "a requirement", considering that the very first compiler I'm aware of (Böhm's) was already written in itself, it's a fairly valid question why wouldn't you make an educational compiler with these properties.

abecedarius 4y ago
> an educational compiler with these properties Far from the only one, but here was mine: https://codewords.recurse.com/issues/seven/dragon-taming-with-tailbiter-a-bytecode-compiler https://codewords.recurse.com/issues/seven/dragon-taming-wit...