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Nationalism is not racial. The implication is that you have more of a problem that China is seeing your data vs America just because it’s not your country, rath

Nationalism is not racial. The implication is that you have more of a problem that China is seeing your data vs America just because it’s not your country, rather than both being equally bad (third party seeing and potentially using your data against your best interests or not compensating you for it). Nationalism is the belief that your country is inherently better than others just because it is your country. If everyone held this view then there would be no path that doesn’t lead away from national conflict, because all Chinese would choose China and all US people would choose US in these situations, rather than focusing on objective bad actors.

kelnos 4y ago
Are there even any good actors, when it comes to national governments? Not saying that's an excuse for badness, but let's also not pretend that all governments are equally bad. I would rather the US violate my privacy than China, if those were my only choices. Granted, currently I'm more or less physically out of reach of China's law enforcement, but well within the US's reach. So China having my data -- at least in the short term -- probably can't hurt me all that much. But longer term? Who knows.
- chrischen 4y ago
  "Equally bad" is objectively subjective. The reality is, especially on a long timeline, corrupt is corrupt and a degree of corruption is largely irrelevant. Instead we use the perceived degree of less corruption to justify nationalism and other things, and it's largely a matter of perspective. You probably wouldn't believe me but you ask the average Chinese person and they think the American government is just as corrupt as the Chinese. You may differ in your opinion. Who's right? Who knows? But I know one thing for sure, and it's that it doesn't matter who is less or more corrupt.
benreesman 4y ago
I’m on full take with both NSA and GHCQ minimum. I cut power to hardware when I want privacy. My ex-girlfriend is CIA, but uncle works for a defense contractor, and just for fun: I’m one of 10 or 20 colorful figures in tech who make a great story in the last ten years. Have I seen shit? Yeah! Are you full of shit? Also yeah, unfortunately.
- chrischen 4y ago
  I don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me. Could you elaborate?

kelnos 4y ago

Are there even any good actors, when it comes to national governments? Not saying that's an excuse for badness, but let's also not pretend that all governments are equally bad. I would rather the US violate my privacy than China, if those were my only choices. Granted, currently I'm more or less physically out of reach of China's law enforcement, but well within the US's reach. So China having my data -- at least in the short term -- probably can't hurt me all that much. But longer term? Who knows.

chrischen 4y ago
"Equally bad" is objectively subjective. The reality is, especially on a long timeline, corrupt is corrupt and a degree of corruption is largely irrelevant. Instead we use the perceived degree of less corruption to justify nationalism and other things, and it's largely a matter of perspective. You probably wouldn't believe me but you ask the average Chinese person and they think the American government is just as corrupt as the Chinese. You may differ in your opinion. Who's right? Who knows? But I know one thing for sure, and it's that it doesn't matter who is less or more corrupt.

benreesman 4y ago

I’m on full take with both NSA and GHCQ minimum. I cut power to hardware when I want privacy. My ex-girlfriend is CIA, but uncle works for a defense contractor, and just for fun: I’m one of 10 or 20 colorful figures in tech who make a great story in the last ten years. Have I seen shit? Yeah! Are you full of shit? Also yeah, unfortunately.

chrischen 4y ago
I don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me. Could you elaborate?