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I don't want to be a naysayer, but my reaction to this is not positive. First of all, I wouldn't want random people in the airport to see my personal informatio

I don't want to be a naysayer, but my reaction to this is not positive. First of all, I wouldn't want random people in the airport to see my personal information. I guess the display can show different information depending on where you're standing, but I don't imagine this works perfectly. Second, facial recognition is creepy. Some comments are arguing that this isn't a problem because you're already being tracked anyway by other cameras around the airport. But just because it's already happening doesn't make it okay. Third, it seems technically impractical. It takes the relatively simple task of picking a flight out of a list and turns it into something brittle and error prone. I get that the technology is impressive in a way. And my first two points are perhaps less concerning since the Delta program is opt in. But overall it seems to cost more than it's worth. Maybe that makes this more of a marketing gimmick than anything.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
> First of all, I wouldn't want random people in the airport to see my personal info If I understand the tech, they have to be right on top of you to see what you see. Each display is supposed to be able to show 100 feeds to 100 different people at the same time. Totally agree with you on the creepiness though.
- davesque 4y ago
  Yeah, who knows? Maybe the positional display tech works better than I imagine. I guess if it could narrow the viewing angle down to the eyes on a person's face, there wouldn't be much of a concern. But I have so many other questions. For example, does standing further away from it effectively broaden the viewing angle for a specific view? Maybe that could lead again to privacy issues. But I should admit that the viewing angle tech is pretty neat. Maybe there could be other interesting applications for it.
  - eastbound 4y ago
    And if the system is not properly re-tuned some of the time, like most tech that requires precision, could it happen that it shows the information exactly 5° next to you, but never to you?
  - googlryas 4y ago
    What exactly will someone do if they find out what airplane you're getting on?
    - bergenty 4y ago
      I don’t want random people knowing my name. You can look up a lot of information about a person with a name.
      - GekkePrutser 4y ago
        Yes this. Even a first name. I work in a 200k employee company and I'm the only person there with my first name. Not everyone is named Fred or John :)
    - jjulius 4y ago
      Off the top of my head, someone fleeing a domestic abuser wouldn't want the abuser to see where they are headed. Stalkers, harassers, etc. There are plenty of reasons why people might want to keep such information private.
      - thrashh 4y ago
        If your stalker knew you were taking a flight and bought an airplane ticket just to get pass security and is currently right behind you — after you have opted into this — you’re in big trouble already.
      - mbrameld 4y ago
        If they're in the airport terminal looking at the same screen you are, can't they just watch which gate you use to board your flight? There's a big screen right by it that tells everyone who can see it where you're going.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - googlryas 4y ago
        They can just follow you to your gate.
- GrumpyNl 4y ago
  The video shows otherwise, i don't know if it is manipulated, but its filmed from behind the person looking at the board.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Oh good point, I didn't watch that yet. You're right, it seems to be pretty wide, especially when she walks away. I wonder how they manage to do 100 simultaneous feeds with such poor accuracy though. But perhaps this is a "best case scenario".
- Findecanor 4y ago
  If someone else is too close to me, couldn't that person's feed block mine? What about groups of people travelling together, standing together? Which person's feed gets priority? Also, there's the chance that I'll meet up with someone I know that I usually keep polite relations with, but which I may not want to share my itinerary with. It is not reasonable that I should be avoiding them on the floor just to keep them away from reading my feed.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    Then don't opt in for the service? Pretty easy.
- practice9 4y ago
  Is it creepier than the airport security team looking at you on their displays?
Ansil849 4y ago
> I wouldn't want random people in the airport to see my personal information. Why not? I'm as much a privacy advocate as anyone, but I don't see the big deal here. The board seems to display your first name, your gate number, your destination city, and your departure time. Why is it a concern that strangers potentially standing next to you might see this? You already see tons of boarding passes while waiting in various airport lines. My point is that people don't typically care about these four data points, so why is it a concern that they're displayed on this board (which ostensibly only you or someone directly in your space can see), especially when someone can go to a random gate, and ask your name, and now they all the same data points.
- davesque 4y ago
  Maybe it's just embarrassing. And if someone were to ask why, would that really be a fair question? In this particular case, I don't have a complicated argument about security. I just generally expect to be able to remain anonymous in public. I guess that's why I wouldn't opt into this program.
  - Ansil849 4y ago
    I'm genuinely not understanding the embarrassment. If you're saying you're embarrassed about going to a particular destination, do you not sit in the designated gate area? Do you sit elsewhere? What do you do when it's actually time to board? This seems like a personal neurosis that would far surpass any potential issues with this technology. Anyone will know the same points of information about you that are on the board: your gate number, your departure time, and your destination city - without having to occupy the same spatial coordinates as you, as they would to see your custom display. At that point, all they'll be missing is your first name, which they can ask you for. If the board displayed information like your confirmation or ticket number, then I agree there would be cause for concern regarding exposure of personal information. But I don't see how destination city/departure time/gate number/first name constitute a privacy concern.
    - chrischen 4y ago
chrischen 4y ago
I’m not sure why they mention facial recognition as it doesn’t seem necessary. The system works by identifying yOu after scanning your boarding pass and then tracking you physically via motion sensors. So it doesn’t rely on detecting your face. They probably do that just to verify your identity initially in the same way that CLEAR does (and saves having to have the TSA person check your face).
- woojoo666 4y ago
  But how would they know who is entering the viewing area without facial recognition? Eg if you go to the bathroom, come out, and walk to a viewing area
  - birdyrooster 4y ago
    - woojoo666 4y ago
      I know you're joking but they don't even need that amount of accuracy, facial recognition is more than enough
      - birdyrooster 4y ago

GekkePrutser 4y ago

> First of all, I wouldn't want random people in the airport to see my personal info If I understand the tech, they have to be right on top of you to see what you see. Each display is supposed to be able to show 100 feeds to 100 different people at the same time. Totally agree with you on the creepiness though.

davesque 4y ago
Yeah, who knows? Maybe the positional display tech works better than I imagine. I guess if it could narrow the viewing angle down to the eyes on a person's face, there wouldn't be much of a concern. But I have so many other questions. For example, does standing further away from it effectively broaden the viewing angle for a specific view? Maybe that could lead again to privacy issues. But I should admit that the viewing angle tech is pretty neat. Maybe there could be other interesting applications for it.
- eastbound 4y ago
  And if the system is not properly re-tuned some of the time, like most tech that requires precision, could it happen that it shows the information exactly 5° next to you, but never to you?
- googlryas 4y ago
  What exactly will someone do if they find out what airplane you're getting on?
  - bergenty 4y ago
    I don’t want random people knowing my name. You can look up a lot of information about a person with a name.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      Yes this. Even a first name. I work in a 200k employee company and I'm the only person there with my first name. Not everyone is named Fred or John :)
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Off the top of my head, someone fleeing a domestic abuser wouldn't want the abuser to see where they are headed. Stalkers, harassers, etc. There are plenty of reasons why people might want to keep such information private.
    - thrashh 4y ago
      If your stalker knew you were taking a flight and bought an airplane ticket just to get pass security and is currently right behind you — after you have opted into this — you’re in big trouble already.
    - mbrameld 4y ago
      If they're in the airport terminal looking at the same screen you are, can't they just watch which gate you use to board your flight? There's a big screen right by it that tells everyone who can see it where you're going.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - googlryas 4y ago
      They can just follow you to your gate.
GrumpyNl 4y ago
The video shows otherwise, i don't know if it is manipulated, but its filmed from behind the person looking at the board.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Oh good point, I didn't watch that yet. You're right, it seems to be pretty wide, especially when she walks away. I wonder how they manage to do 100 simultaneous feeds with such poor accuracy though. But perhaps this is a "best case scenario".
Findecanor 4y ago
If someone else is too close to me, couldn't that person's feed block mine? What about groups of people travelling together, standing together? Which person's feed gets priority? Also, there's the chance that I'll meet up with someone I know that I usually keep polite relations with, but which I may not want to share my itinerary with. It is not reasonable that I should be avoiding them on the floor just to keep them away from reading my feed.
- googlryas 4y ago
  Then don't opt in for the service? Pretty easy.
practice9 4y ago
Is it creepier than the airport security team looking at you on their displays?

Ansil849 4y ago

> I wouldn't want random people in the airport to see my personal information. Why not? I'm as much a privacy advocate as anyone, but I don't see the big deal here. The board seems to display your first name, your gate number, your destination city, and your departure time. Why is it a concern that strangers potentially standing next to you might see this? You already see tons of boarding passes while waiting in various airport lines. My point is that people don't typically care about these four data points, so why is it a concern that they're displayed on this board (which ostensibly only you or someone directly in your space can see), especially when someone can go to a random gate, and ask your name, and now they all the same data points.

davesque 4y ago
Maybe it's just embarrassing. And if someone were to ask why, would that really be a fair question? In this particular case, I don't have a complicated argument about security. I just generally expect to be able to remain anonymous in public. I guess that's why I wouldn't opt into this program.
- Ansil849 4y ago
  I'm genuinely not understanding the embarrassment. If you're saying you're embarrassed about going to a particular destination, do you not sit in the designated gate area? Do you sit elsewhere? What do you do when it's actually time to board? This seems like a personal neurosis that would far surpass any potential issues with this technology. Anyone will know the same points of information about you that are on the board: your gate number, your departure time, and your destination city - without having to occupy the same spatial coordinates as you, as they would to see your custom display. At that point, all they'll be missing is your first name, which they can ask you for. If the board displayed information like your confirmation or ticket number, then I agree there would be cause for concern regarding exposure of personal information. But I don't see how destination city/departure time/gate number/first name constitute a privacy concern.
  - chrischen 4y ago

chrischen 4y ago

I’m not sure why they mention facial recognition as it doesn’t seem necessary. The system works by identifying yOu after scanning your boarding pass and then tracking you physically via motion sensors. So it doesn’t rely on detecting your face. They probably do that just to verify your identity initially in the same way that CLEAR does (and saves having to have the TSA person check your face).

woojoo666 4y ago
But how would they know who is entering the viewing area without facial recognition? Eg if you go to the bathroom, come out, and walk to a viewing area
- birdyrooster 4y ago
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    I know you're joking but they don't even need that amount of accuracy, facial recognition is more than enough
    - birdyrooster 4y ago