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>Externally, the US has been eager to strengthen its control over Canada, Mexico and Cuba, the 'backyard' of the US This is so true. China has either directly

>Externally, the US has been eager to strengthen its control over Canada, Mexico and Cuba, the 'backyard' of the US This is so true. China has either directly invaded or has bad relations with every one of its neighbours. Even the communist ones. Even those seperated by sea. Only reason why this bullying is tolearted is because they are rich now

thriftwy 4y ago
It looks to me that China has decent relations with Russia, Mongolia, and even central asian Kazakhstan/Kirgisia/Tajikistan (of course there are some ethnic and economical tensions dragging this back, not to mention the issue of Uighurs who are related). China also has good relations with Pakistan.
- noisy_boy 4y ago
  China has mainly good relations with "asshole" countries. Rest of their "good" relations are based on their loan sharking practices.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    This sounds like a line from Team America: World Police but unironically.
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  They have had a war with USSR in the past. Nixon had to intervene and stop them from Nuking Russia
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  - bigcat12345678 4y ago
    No, the fact is that USA deterred USSR from using tactical nukes against China, in order to preserve nuclear balance. China nuking Russia is like Mexico trying to invade USA today. In sane national leaders' mind, that's a very unlike choice.
    - cuteboy19 4y ago
      >In sane national leaders' mind That's the thing, they were very far from sane. If you can murder millions of your own people then Nuking another country is not a farfetched scenario
      - mint2 4y ago
        Meanwhile Putin watches as tens thousands of Russians and Ukrainians die for his notions of what he deserves to control. Not concerning at all…
      - bigcat12345678 4y ago
        I have to chuckle a bit about this > That's the thing, they were very far from sane Considering China's situation since 1840: * Colonizing by almost of the world's super power. It's like being abused by US China (todayas China) Russia France UK Germany etc. Think a moment how can a nation today fend off these powers and remain an integral nation. Yet, China managed to do that. * During WW2, China faces Japan, China essentially is an agrarian society facing an advanced industrial nation Japan, with considerable resources and man power. China almost lost 1/3 of its territory. Yet the nation standed up, and emerged more coherent and unified than before WW2. * The so-called insane CCP managed to install strong control over Tibet and Xinjiang, right after WW2, right under the threat of USSR. The ability to manipulate Stalin, is indeed insanely smart. * CCP fought a series wars after WW2 never lost, and have all succeeded to achieve it's political objective. Indian border war made sure India as a nation lost its aggression towards China for half a century, Korea war installed a fear and awe by us military men towards Chinese army; the Vietnam war effectively ensure no single nation able to challenge China's long term superemcy in South East Asia. * They are the only equal partner in the cold war containment over USSR, basically practiced the strategy by their own strategic initiative and offered proactive support across the globe for that strategy to work. * They initiated opening up and internal reform, transformed 1B people from a USSR style economy into the second largest in USD number, and the largest in purchasing power. Where as the same reform effectively triggered the collapse of USSR, which had 1/4 of the population of China. * They effectively are challenging US supremacy in all aspects and are winning in many. Basically unimaginable since 1920s. Call me stupid, but I think they are not only sane, they are probably so sane that random people like you are not able to grasp their genius...
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  Mongolia is an interesting case. Its independence is guaranteed by Russia, otherwise China would likely have swallowed it in the 1950s or so, much like Tibet. But Mongolia, sitting between two authoritarian powers, is nowadays a stable democracy with regular transfers of power between opposing parties. I wonder if this can last. Their best chance is actually the fact that they aren't very prominent on the international stage and probably not worth a conquest or hostile takeover right now.

thriftwy 4y ago

It looks to me that China has decent relations with Russia, Mongolia, and even central asian Kazakhstan/Kirgisia/Tajikistan (of course there are some ethnic and economical tensions dragging this back, not to mention the issue of Uighurs who are related). China also has good relations with Pakistan.

noisy_boy 4y ago
China has mainly good relations with "asshole" countries. Rest of their "good" relations are based on their loan sharking practices.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  This sounds like a line from Team America: World Police but unironically.
cuteboy19 4y ago
They have had a war with USSR in the past. Nixon had to intervene and stop them from Nuking Russia
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- bigcat12345678 4y ago
  No, the fact is that USA deterred USSR from using tactical nukes against China, in order to preserve nuclear balance. China nuking Russia is like Mexico trying to invade USA today. In sane national leaders' mind, that's a very unlike choice.
  - cuteboy19 4y ago
    >In sane national leaders' mind That's the thing, they were very far from sane. If you can murder millions of your own people then Nuking another country is not a farfetched scenario
    - mint2 4y ago
      Meanwhile Putin watches as tens thousands of Russians and Ukrainians die for his notions of what he deserves to control. Not concerning at all…
    - bigcat12345678 4y ago
      I have to chuckle a bit about this > That's the thing, they were very far from sane Considering China's situation since 1840: * Colonizing by almost of the world's super power. It's like being abused by US China (todayas China) Russia France UK Germany etc. Think a moment how can a nation today fend off these powers and remain an integral nation. Yet, China managed to do that. * During WW2, China faces Japan, China essentially is an agrarian society facing an advanced industrial nation Japan, with considerable resources and man power. China almost lost 1/3 of its territory. Yet the nation standed up, and emerged more coherent and unified than before WW2. * The so-called insane CCP managed to install strong control over Tibet and Xinjiang, right after WW2, right under the threat of USSR. The ability to manipulate Stalin, is indeed insanely smart. * CCP fought a series wars after WW2 never lost, and have all succeeded to achieve it's political objective. Indian border war made sure India as a nation lost its aggression towards China for half a century, Korea war installed a fear and awe by us military men towards Chinese army; the Vietnam war effectively ensure no single nation able to challenge China's long term superemcy in South East Asia. * They are the only equal partner in the cold war containment over USSR, basically practiced the strategy by their own strategic initiative and offered proactive support across the globe for that strategy to work. * They initiated opening up and internal reform, transformed 1B people from a USSR style economy into the second largest in USD number, and the largest in purchasing power. Where as the same reform effectively triggered the collapse of USSR, which had 1/4 of the population of China. * They effectively are challenging US supremacy in all aspects and are winning in many. Basically unimaginable since 1920s. Call me stupid, but I think they are not only sane, they are probably so sane that random people like you are not able to grasp their genius...
inglor_cz 4y ago
Mongolia is an interesting case. Its independence is guaranteed by Russia, otherwise China would likely have swallowed it in the 1950s or so, much like Tibet. But Mongolia, sitting between two authoritarian powers, is nowadays a stable democracy with regular transfers of power between opposing parties. I wonder if this can last. Their best chance is actually the fact that they aren't very prominent on the international stage and probably not worth a conquest or hostile takeover right now.