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Anyone know where I can buy a phone flashed with GrapheneOS? The thoughts of messing with my phone’s default OS is daunting and I’m scared of bricking it.

whyagain1885 4y ago
https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop
crocodiletears 4y ago
I think https://noagendaphone.com https://noagendaphone.com is still offering this service
aesh2Xa1 4y ago
There is no official store, and the official project does not reference any third-party vendors. You do have options: 1. Do you want to buy a third-party device like a NitroPhone? If you can afford to purchase a phone in the first place, then purchase a used phone to try flashing GrapehenOS. You can buy multiple used devices for the cost of such a device, and then you can familiarize yourself with the flashing procedure. 2. Have a friend help you. There are probably events in your town that you could find on Facebook, Reddit, or Meetup (e.g., OS install parties are a thing). 3. Wait for the official project to begin selling their hardware: https://twitter.com/grapheneos/status/1490518600339308544 https://twitter.com/grapheneos/status/1490518600339308544
quesomaster9000 4y ago
You don't want to buy a phone pre-flashed with GrapheneOS, this was the problem with CopperheadOS - they would only flash the phone if you sent it to them (unattended, across 2+ customs borders) - apparently that caused some internal strife. Seriously though, pick up a Pixel 6, flash it at home via Web-USB. My only qualm is that the Google bootloader doesn't show a QR code on boot to verify the kernel image being loaded, instead it simply shows a big yellow warning saying the OS is unsupported with no way of verifying if it's the GrapheneOS image you loaded or one the maid loaded while you were AFK.
- 616c 4y ago
  Did it and on a similar pixel device and love it so much! Was super skeptical of the webusb thing as a jaded old fart (which IIRC is funded by the community) and I whistled with sheer amazement it worked perfectly the second time. First failure was BC of flakey internet with a bad download and a time crunch when another phone died. I have hated android not meeting my own personal watermark in respecting open dev and privacy forward user design at its core. This project, although not core and on the fringe, gives me a small glimmer of hope in a dark smart phone world! Been a stable daily driver for like six months now.
- yellowapple 4y ago
  > My only qualm is that the Google bootloader doesn't show a QR code on boot to verify the kernel image being loaded, instead it simply shows a big yellow warning saying the OS is unsupported with no way of verifying if it's the GrapheneOS image you loaded or one the maid loaded while you were AFK. Once upon a time it at least showed part of a hash or somesuch ostensibly uniquely identifying the OS, such that it would change if an Evil Maid flashed a new one.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    This is the type of thing that happens that happens when you make yourself dependent on someone whose goals are opposed to you by making your OS exclusively for google's phones. I honestly don't know why we can't have a system to visualise the signed image source as the default. Put any public key you want in the firmware, show a 32-64 bit fingerprint of the loaded key as an abstract pattern and only boot an image signed with that key. Manufacturer doesn't get any special treatment. Fairphone at least shows a hash on boot as well as the scary yellow text when relocked. Calyx is available, don't know about graphene.
- pieresqi 4y ago
  Hi, actually there is a way to verify if ROM you have installed or not is GOS. There's attestation.app which let's you remotely verify your installation.
aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
Use the WebUSB PWA, you can follow "new user friendly" instructions. https://grapheneos.org/install/web https://grapheneos.org/install/web
aluminaient 4y ago
Surprisingly, of any rom you could install, graphene is the simplest. You just open a website after installing android drivers for your pc. Its an impressive feat on its own beyond how impressive the software is.
ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
Use the web installer, it's super straightforward.
FastEatSlow 4y ago
Avoid buying a GrapheneOS phone being advertised specifically for privacy with encrypted chat. They are specifically for selling to criminals, be it from a government or an enterprising young adult. Many people have tried to pay me to make them a custom ROM based on GrapheneOS but with their name and reskinning notepads and encrypted chat apps. They'll claim it's for privacy-focused businesses of course.

whyagain1885 4y ago

https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop

crocodiletears 4y ago

I think https://noagendaphone.com https://noagendaphone.com is still offering this service

aesh2Xa1 4y ago

There is no official store, and the official project does not reference any third-party vendors. You do have options: 1. Do you want to buy a third-party device like a NitroPhone? If you can afford to purchase a phone in the first place, then purchase a used phone to try flashing GrapehenOS. You can buy multiple used devices for the cost of such a device, and then you can familiarize yourself with the flashing procedure. 2. Have a friend help you. There are probably events in your town that you could find on Facebook, Reddit, or Meetup (e.g., OS install parties are a thing). 3. Wait for the official project to begin selling their hardware: https://twitter.com/grapheneos/status/1490518600339308544 https://twitter.com/grapheneos/status/1490518600339308544

quesomaster9000 4y ago

You don't want to buy a phone pre-flashed with GrapheneOS, this was the problem with CopperheadOS - they would only flash the phone if you sent it to them (unattended, across 2+ customs borders) - apparently that caused some internal strife. Seriously though, pick up a Pixel 6, flash it at home via Web-USB. My only qualm is that the Google bootloader doesn't show a QR code on boot to verify the kernel image being loaded, instead it simply shows a big yellow warning saying the OS is unsupported with no way of verifying if it's the GrapheneOS image you loaded or one the maid loaded while you were AFK.

616c 4y ago
Did it and on a similar pixel device and love it so much! Was super skeptical of the webusb thing as a jaded old fart (which IIRC is funded by the community) and I whistled with sheer amazement it worked perfectly the second time. First failure was BC of flakey internet with a bad download and a time crunch when another phone died. I have hated android not meeting my own personal watermark in respecting open dev and privacy forward user design at its core. This project, although not core and on the fringe, gives me a small glimmer of hope in a dark smart phone world! Been a stable daily driver for like six months now.
yellowapple 4y ago
> My only qualm is that the Google bootloader doesn't show a QR code on boot to verify the kernel image being loaded, instead it simply shows a big yellow warning saying the OS is unsupported with no way of verifying if it's the GrapheneOS image you loaded or one the maid loaded while you were AFK. Once upon a time it at least showed part of a hash or somesuch ostensibly uniquely identifying the OS, such that it would change if an Evil Maid flashed a new one.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  This is the type of thing that happens that happens when you make yourself dependent on someone whose goals are opposed to you by making your OS exclusively for google's phones. I honestly don't know why we can't have a system to visualise the signed image source as the default. Put any public key you want in the firmware, show a 32-64 bit fingerprint of the loaded key as an abstract pattern and only boot an image signed with that key. Manufacturer doesn't get any special treatment. Fairphone at least shows a hash on boot as well as the scary yellow text when relocked. Calyx is available, don't know about graphene.
pieresqi 4y ago
Hi, actually there is a way to verify if ROM you have installed or not is GOS. There's attestation.app which let's you remotely verify your installation.

aaaaaaaaata 4y ago

Use the WebUSB PWA, you can follow "new user friendly" instructions. https://grapheneos.org/install/web https://grapheneos.org/install/web

aluminaient 4y ago

Surprisingly, of any rom you could install, graphene is the simplest. You just open a website after installing android drivers for your pc. Its an impressive feat on its own beyond how impressive the software is.

ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago

Use the web installer, it's super straightforward.

FastEatSlow 4y ago

Avoid buying a GrapheneOS phone being advertised specifically for privacy with encrypted chat. They are specifically for selling to criminals, be it from a government or an enterprising young adult. Many people have tried to pay me to make them a custom ROM based on GrapheneOS but with their name and reskinning notepads and encrypted chat apps. They'll claim it's for privacy-focused businesses of course.