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free labor lol, they're providing a service. For free where free = no money, They give user a way to share with each other, ways to organize events, ways to sel

free labor lol, they're providing a service. For free where free = no money, They give user a way to share with each other, ways to organize events, ways to sell things, ways to send messages with each other, ways to make calls to each other, ways to have video chat with each other, all for free (again free = no money). In return they put ads in your face and to make those ads more relevant they look at whatever data they can gather. I don't like be spied on but gees, they aren't getting free labor. They're paying like crazy. As someone that once at a > $1000 phone bill it's amazing to me I can video chat with friends all over the world via FBs services and pay no direct money to do it and that to keep up with them I can now just post to fb instead of send out a newsletter or write each individual person

wahnfrieden 4y ago
I don't care, there are ways to build public goods services
ipaddr 4y ago
Many sites offer these things for free without the need to track you around the internet. Facebook's business model breaks social expectations of privacy. They make a lot of money because they sell other people your data through ad targeting. Facebook controls the barely tech literate crowd by offering an aol type experience. These services are popular with the masses. No one cares that they give data to facebook so they can be sold more things and leave them poorer. You end up paying facebook no direct money but you have less money and spent when you didn't need to.
- winternett 4y ago
  The only time I fill out pop-up surveys is when I want to enter wildly inaccurate data bout myself. That time back when Facebutt forced everyone to use their government names (as if it was an authentic requirement) I was shocked at how many people caved into entering their full name. Companies are having a field day with all this data collection. I hope they get real karma for the deception.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    there'll be no karmic payback or redemption story without organized action against the root of these behaviors. there's certainly no hope in a market solution
dredmorbius 4y ago
FB costs each family of four in the US, EU, Japan, and other wealthy nations roughly $468/year whether they use the survice or not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32118404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32118404

wahnfrieden 4y ago

I don't care, there are ways to build public goods services

ipaddr 4y ago

Many sites offer these things for free without the need to track you around the internet. Facebook's business model breaks social expectations of privacy. They make a lot of money because they sell other people your data through ad targeting. Facebook controls the barely tech literate crowd by offering an aol type experience. These services are popular with the masses. No one cares that they give data to facebook so they can be sold more things and leave them poorer. You end up paying facebook no direct money but you have less money and spent when you didn't need to.

winternett 4y ago
The only time I fill out pop-up surveys is when I want to enter wildly inaccurate data bout myself. That time back when Facebutt forced everyone to use their government names (as if it was an authentic requirement) I was shocked at how many people caved into entering their full name. Companies are having a field day with all this data collection. I hope they get real karma for the deception.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  there'll be no karmic payback or redemption story without organized action against the root of these behaviors. there's certainly no hope in a market solution

dredmorbius 4y ago

FB costs each family of four in the US, EU, Japan, and other wealthy nations roughly $468/year whether they use the survice or not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32118404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32118404