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Doing this is the opposite of being a doomer. I love the concept of terraforming the desert and desert walls. This is positive, inexpensive and we should do muc

Doing this is the opposite of being a doomer. I love the concept of terraforming the desert and desert walls. This is positive, inexpensive and we should do much more of this.

ch4s3 4y ago
Yeah, I’m not sure it will work but I like that it’s proactive and unlikely to have any negative effects other than opportunity cost.
- justinzollars 4y ago
  yup!
Comevius 4y ago
Planting trees without any sense of how they would become a viable ecosystem is pointless. Forests are complex ecosystems. Businesses do this because it's the cheapest sustainability strategy. These are economic project that not only don't put a single dent on climate change, they make it worst. The easiest solutions are often the worst.
- googlryas 4y ago
  How does this make climate change worse? Isn't it possible for a complex ecosystem to develop without knowing exactly how it happens? My compost heap hosts a fairly complex ecosystem - more complex than I understand, and I created it merely by heaping my yard waste and food scraps in the corner of my lot. If someone gave you $15B, how would you use it to put a dent in climate change?
  - Comevius 4y ago
    It makes it worst by letting businesses write off pollution. Entire industries are becoming carbon neutral, on paper at least. Ever wondered how building 10 billion electric cars will save the planet? You can't put a dent on climate change until you find a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That's what matters. Trees have to last a 100 years to be effective carbon stores.
    - googlryas 4y ago
      Sure, that's what matters to you. If you live in the Sahel you are probably more directly worried about your backyard becoming a desert.
- overtonwhy 4y ago
  A bunch of wild claims with zero references to back them up. Poster is making massive assumptions about how these organizations operate. They clearly are talking out of their ass if you research the established organizations working in this field https://www.internationaltreefoundation.org/our-work https://www.internationaltreefoundation.org/our-work
  - Comevius 4y ago
    They are certainly outliers, they are actually doing good work with reforestation. Now try everyone else.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      You make the claim, so you produce the evidence to support it.

Doing this is the opposite of being a doomer. I love the concept of terraforming the desert and desert walls. This is positive, inexpensive and we should do much more of this.

ch4s3 4y ago

Yeah, I’m not sure it will work but I like that it’s proactive and unlikely to have any negative effects other than opportunity cost.

justinzollars 4y ago
yup!

Comevius 4y ago

Planting trees without any sense of how they would become a viable ecosystem is pointless. Forests are complex ecosystems. Businesses do this because it's the cheapest sustainability strategy. These are economic project that not only don't put a single dent on climate change, they make it worst. The easiest solutions are often the worst.

googlryas 4y ago
How does this make climate change worse? Isn't it possible for a complex ecosystem to develop without knowing exactly how it happens? My compost heap hosts a fairly complex ecosystem - more complex than I understand, and I created it merely by heaping my yard waste and food scraps in the corner of my lot. If someone gave you $15B, how would you use it to put a dent in climate change?
- Comevius 4y ago
  It makes it worst by letting businesses write off pollution. Entire industries are becoming carbon neutral, on paper at least. Ever wondered how building 10 billion electric cars will save the planet? You can't put a dent on climate change until you find a way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That's what matters. Trees have to last a 100 years to be effective carbon stores.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    Sure, that's what matters to you. If you live in the Sahel you are probably more directly worried about your backyard becoming a desert.
overtonwhy 4y ago
A bunch of wild claims with zero references to back them up. Poster is making massive assumptions about how these organizations operate. They clearly are talking out of their ass if you research the established organizations working in this field https://www.internationaltreefoundation.org/our-work https://www.internationaltreefoundation.org/our-work
- Comevius 4y ago
  They are certainly outliers, they are actually doing good work with reforestation. Now try everyone else.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    You make the claim, so you produce the evidence to support it.