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> Well, who the hell is in the teachers union if not teachers? Professional bureaucrats. Teachers unions in public schools are the worst. They hold our childr

by koolba 4y ago

> Well, who the hell is in the teachers union if not teachers? Professional bureaucrats. Teachers unions in public schools are the worst. They hold our childrens’ futures hostage and get paid out by politicians buying votes, who pass the bill to the next generation.

coldpie 4y ago
My mom was a negotiator for the teacher's union for about a decade. She was a para-professional, working with disabled students, for about 20 years. You should try talking with the people you are making claims about. I bet they're very different from what you think.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  I suspect your Mom is an extra-ordinary super-hero sort, and more power to her. However, here in the Western USA, urban public schools are a disaster -- the bigger the district, the bigger the disaster -- and the union is not innocent in continuing that. no easy answers
  - coldpie 4y ago
    100 percent agreed there are no easy answers. I was arguing against the pointless emotional rhetorical garbage like "professional bureaucrats" and "holding children hostage". No, not everything is perfect, but the solution to that is to find and address real problems, not scream stupid insults until everything falls apart.
- gruez 4y ago
  >>Professional bureaucrats. >My mom was a negotiator for the teacher's union for about a decade. She was a para-professional, working with disabled students, for about 20 years. Nothing you said really contradicts the parent post's claim that the people working in unions are "Professional bureaucrats". If your mom was working with disabled students for 20 years, then switched to being a bureaucrat for the next 10 years, she's still arguably a "Professional bureaucrat".
  - coldpie 4y ago
    That's not how it worked. The union role took a few hours a month, in addition to her para job. A handful of meetings, usually in evenings after a normal workday. It would never have been considered her primary job, more like a task within her job at the school.
yardie 4y ago
> They hold our childrens’ futures hostage and get paid out by politicians buying votes, who pass the bill to the next generation. Are you confusing the school board with the teachers union? One sets curriculum, class size, and budget. The later really only influences salary, benefits, and working hours.
briHass 4y ago
Not to mention that most state/local teachers unions are branches of the NEA/AFT, two of the largest unions in the country. Also, two of the largest political contributors, to strictly left-leaning politicians. Neither are shy about admitting that they support Democrat policies exclusively.
- mhoad 4y ago
  To be fair have you seen republican policies towards teachers and education in general. Of course nobody would ever intentionally pick that for themselves and their profession.
verall 4y ago
States where teacher's unions are allowed to collectively bargain have better teacher pay, less teacher shortages, and better average outcomes. To me this sounds like a lot of privilege from someone that doesn't understand how bad schools can get in areas with very little funding or oversight.

by koolba 4y ago

coldpie 4y ago

My mom was a negotiator for the teacher's union for about a decade. She was a para-professional, working with disabled students, for about 20 years. You should try talking with the people you are making claims about. I bet they're very different from what you think.

mistrial9 4y ago
I suspect your Mom is an extra-ordinary super-hero sort, and more power to her. However, here in the Western USA, urban public schools are a disaster -- the bigger the district, the bigger the disaster -- and the union is not innocent in continuing that. no easy answers
- coldpie 4y ago
  100 percent agreed there are no easy answers. I was arguing against the pointless emotional rhetorical garbage like "professional bureaucrats" and "holding children hostage". No, not everything is perfect, but the solution to that is to find and address real problems, not scream stupid insults until everything falls apart.
gruez 4y ago
>>Professional bureaucrats. >My mom was a negotiator for the teacher's union for about a decade. She was a para-professional, working with disabled students, for about 20 years. Nothing you said really contradicts the parent post's claim that the people working in unions are "Professional bureaucrats". If your mom was working with disabled students for 20 years, then switched to being a bureaucrat for the next 10 years, she's still arguably a "Professional bureaucrat".
- coldpie 4y ago
  That's not how it worked. The union role took a few hours a month, in addition to her para job. A handful of meetings, usually in evenings after a normal workday. It would never have been considered her primary job, more like a task within her job at the school.

yardie 4y ago

> They hold our childrens’ futures hostage and get paid out by politicians buying votes, who pass the bill to the next generation. Are you confusing the school board with the teachers union? One sets curriculum, class size, and budget. The later really only influences salary, benefits, and working hours.

briHass 4y ago

Not to mention that most state/local teachers unions are branches of the NEA/AFT, two of the largest unions in the country. Also, two of the largest political contributors, to strictly left-leaning politicians. Neither are shy about admitting that they support Democrat policies exclusively.

mhoad 4y ago
To be fair have you seen republican policies towards teachers and education in general. Of course nobody would ever intentionally pick that for themselves and their profession.

verall 4y ago

States where teacher's unions are allowed to collectively bargain have better teacher pay, less teacher shortages, and better average outcomes. To me this sounds like a lot of privilege from someone that doesn't understand how bad schools can get in areas with very little funding or oversight.