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I may be wrong, but besides and before the wage increases, it seems to me like the priority would be for decent working conditions, if what is published from ti

by jaclaz 4y ago

I may be wrong, but besides and before the wage increases, it seems to me like the priority would be for decent working conditions, if what is published from time to time on media is actually true, the biggest issues are about lack of (normal, decent) pauses or rest periods, continuous summoning for increases in productivity, total control on the workers, etc.

photochemsyn 4y ago
All that becomes a lot more tolerable if you're getting double your previous pay.
- abirch 4y ago
  The pay is why the employees don't quit en mass.
  - azemetre 4y ago
    Is this the same Amazon that is convinced they will run out of employees in a few years because they quit so often? https://www.vox.com/recode/23170900/leaked-amazon-memo-warehouses-hiring-shortage https://www.vox.com/recode/23170900/leaked-amazon-memo-wareh...
    - abirch 4y ago
      Jeff Bezos wanted high turnover by design: this is why the starting pay is so high and doesn't grow. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/15/us/amazon-workers.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/15/us/amazon-wor...
- macintux 4y ago
  Only until you’re injured.
q1w2 4y ago
> if what is published from time to time on media is actually true That's a big IF. Unions were invented after the onset of the industrial revolution to combat truly unsafe work conditions in industrial settings where worker's dying was common. OSHA did away with all that. The current generation of "bad work condition" complaints is around getting adequate bathroom breaks.
- hellotomyrars 4y ago
  What rock are you living under? Plenty of the documented absolute nightmare of working for Amazon in their warehouses is corroborated by their own internal analysis. Unions are for more than just making sure people don't die when doing their job. The union I am a member of more than doubled the wages of its members after its first 12 years of existence. Crucially it also ensures twice yearly cost of living adjustments. It is the only way for labor to have a meaningful negotiating position. There are shitty unions out there, but there are a lot of shitty employers too. Amazon's internal reporting shows they're going to exhaust the labor pool in several areas because they've cycled through everyone who could possibly work at the warehouses and fulfillment centers. People aren't leaving Amazon because they aren't allowed to use the bathroom. They're leaving Amazon because it is dehumanizing and miserable. Funny how the people who make the lowest wages have to put up with the most shit.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    These people are oblivious to the suffering, or excuse it away.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  OSHA is always thrown around as either an overbearing force of oppression or a magical savior of the worker by anti-union people. The reality is that it’s a toothless tiger by design. Many states do their own enforcement, and don’t exactly prioritize it — IIRC, North Carolina has 20% of the inspectors that it says it needs. I’m sure your cushy IT gig requires you to stand for 6 hours without taking a piss. Try it sometime before attacking others.
- 4y ago

by jaclaz 4y ago

photochemsyn 4y ago

All that becomes a lot more tolerable if you're getting double your previous pay.

abirch 4y ago
The pay is why the employees don't quit en mass.
- azemetre 4y ago
  Is this the same Amazon that is convinced they will run out of employees in a few years because they quit so often? https://www.vox.com/recode/23170900/leaked-amazon-memo-warehouses-hiring-shortage https://www.vox.com/recode/23170900/leaked-amazon-memo-wareh...
  - abirch 4y ago
    Jeff Bezos wanted high turnover by design: this is why the starting pay is so high and doesn't grow. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/15/us/amazon-workers.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/15/us/amazon-wor...
macintux 4y ago
Only until you’re injured.

q1w2 4y ago

> if what is published from time to time on media is actually true That's a big IF. Unions were invented after the onset of the industrial revolution to combat truly unsafe work conditions in industrial settings where worker's dying was common. OSHA did away with all that. The current generation of "bad work condition" complaints is around getting adequate bathroom breaks.

hellotomyrars 4y ago
What rock are you living under? Plenty of the documented absolute nightmare of working for Amazon in their warehouses is corroborated by their own internal analysis. Unions are for more than just making sure people don't die when doing their job. The union I am a member of more than doubled the wages of its members after its first 12 years of existence. Crucially it also ensures twice yearly cost of living adjustments. It is the only way for labor to have a meaningful negotiating position. There are shitty unions out there, but there are a lot of shitty employers too. Amazon's internal reporting shows they're going to exhaust the labor pool in several areas because they've cycled through everyone who could possibly work at the warehouses and fulfillment centers. People aren't leaving Amazon because they aren't allowed to use the bathroom. They're leaving Amazon because it is dehumanizing and miserable. Funny how the people who make the lowest wages have to put up with the most shit.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  These people are oblivious to the suffering, or excuse it away.
Spooky23 4y ago
OSHA is always thrown around as either an overbearing force of oppression or a magical savior of the worker by anti-union people. The reality is that it’s a toothless tiger by design. Many states do their own enforcement, and don’t exactly prioritize it — IIRC, North Carolina has 20% of the inspectors that it says it needs. I’m sure your cushy IT gig requires you to stand for 6 hours without taking a piss. Try it sometime before attacking others.
4y ago