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> I think there's actually a lot of people who are okay with > pushing people into mass starvation Record number of people worldwide are moving toward starvat

> I think there's actually a lot of people who are okay with > pushing people into mass starvation Record number of people worldwide are moving toward starvation, U.N. warns July 7, 20222:15 AM ET https://www.npr.org/2022/07/07/1110219180/record-number-of-people-worldwide-are-moving-toward-starvation-u-n-warns https://www.npr.org/2022/07/07/1110219180/record-number-of-p... > and poverty Inflation pushed 71 million people into poverty since war in Ukraine began Economy Jul 7, 2022 2:24 PM EDT https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/inflation-pushed-71-million-people-into-poverty-since-war-in-ukraine-began https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/inflation-pushed-71-mil... Both of these issues...were they brought to you by people who want to stop climate change? Or were they brought to you by the people who do not care about climate change? Starvation and poverty are being created by the same systems and short sighted thinking that are bringing on climate change. It is a truth that the human population should have never become this large. And how did that happen? With technology and capitalism.

Karellen 4y ago
> It is a truth that the human population should have never become this large. [citation needed]
- fuzzfactor 4y ago
  > It is a truth that the human population should have never become this large. It would be tough to cite exactly how large is too much, and there's a legitimate difference of opinion on whether it's already too late by now. Regardless of the absolute population size at the time, the real problem seems to be out-of-control growth. For that there's no citation needed if you're old enough. Because of the rise in radio, then TV, today's elderly are about the first to have lifetime exposure to world events and developments in real time across the widest number of decades physically possible for our species. Not everyone gets wiser as they get older, but plenty do and that's a type of wisdom that can not be acquired any other way. Live long enough with enough attention to these things locally and in communication with a lifetime of first-hand information as well as world-wide media, things which turn out to be fully corroborated in every single way you just eventually can not realistically deny. The unbridled reproduction of consumers rather than producers for quite some time now seems to be the underlying exponential problem. And that's not human nature, it's simply expressing the same inhuman nature as all the other living creatures. According to all sources, always, everywhere, things were better for everyone, when they were less crowded with consumers for which there is not enough being sustainably produced. If we're not going to end up joining the majority of Earth species that have become extinct, this is one key element where a much more distinctly human touch needs to be completely ingrained in place of natural instinct. Not surprisingly, out-of-control reproduction is almost like cancer leading to eventual death in a local microcosm and many have been aware of this for millennia. With nothing but text and oral tradition to preserve these near-prehistoric observations, that may be why so many different ancient cultures have such elaborate taboos regarding reproductive activity.
rayiner 4y ago
Technology and capitalism lowered the under-5 mortality rate in my home country from 1 in 4 in my dad’s generation to 3 in 100 today. Inflation was (likely) caused by central bank money printing to bankroll social spending.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
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  - briantakita 4y ago
    > Wow, can't you people look beyond yourselves? Or we don't believe the in the fear mongering grift whose purpose is to strengthen the dominance hierarchy of the wealthy & politically powerful over everyone else. This grift has & will continue to kill many people.
    - cpursley 4y ago
      Yeah, exactly. Technocrats who live in Ivory towers. Ivory towers with centralized climate control powered by Nests and served by Postmates.
  - xfitm3 4y ago
    With that same line of thinking we should all find different jobs, as giant data centers and the software industry is far more detrimental to the planet than any amount of air conditioning.
    - cpursley 4y ago
      Do you have stats to back up that data centers use more power than ac? Also, have you considered all the labor saved by computing technology?
      - xyzzyz 4y ago
        Data centers use so much energy that they need their own enormous AC systems to remove that heat from the building. Also, have you considered all the labor enabled by AC? Economic development would not be possible in tropical regions without AC, as people simply cannot work effectively in suffocating heat.

Karellen 4y ago

> It is a truth that the human population should have never become this large. [citation needed]

fuzzfactor 4y ago
> It is a truth that the human population should have never become this large. It would be tough to cite exactly how large is too much, and there's a legitimate difference of opinion on whether it's already too late by now. Regardless of the absolute population size at the time, the real problem seems to be out-of-control growth. For that there's no citation needed if you're old enough. Because of the rise in radio, then TV, today's elderly are about the first to have lifetime exposure to world events and developments in real time across the widest number of decades physically possible for our species. Not everyone gets wiser as they get older, but plenty do and that's a type of wisdom that can not be acquired any other way. Live long enough with enough attention to these things locally and in communication with a lifetime of first-hand information as well as world-wide media, things which turn out to be fully corroborated in every single way you just eventually can not realistically deny. The unbridled reproduction of consumers rather than producers for quite some time now seems to be the underlying exponential problem. And that's not human nature, it's simply expressing the same inhuman nature as all the other living creatures. According to all sources, always, everywhere, things were better for everyone, when they were less crowded with consumers for which there is not enough being sustainably produced. If we're not going to end up joining the majority of Earth species that have become extinct, this is one key element where a much more distinctly human touch needs to be completely ingrained in place of natural instinct. Not surprisingly, out-of-control reproduction is almost like cancer leading to eventual death in a local microcosm and many have been aware of this for millennia. With nothing but text and oral tradition to preserve these near-prehistoric observations, that may be why so many different ancient cultures have such elaborate taboos regarding reproductive activity.

rayiner 4y ago

Technology and capitalism lowered the under-5 mortality rate in my home country from 1 in 4 in my dad’s generation to 3 in 100 today. Inflation was (likely) caused by central bank money printing to bankroll social spending.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
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- briantakita 4y ago
  > Wow, can't you people look beyond yourselves? Or we don't believe the in the fear mongering grift whose purpose is to strengthen the dominance hierarchy of the wealthy & politically powerful over everyone else. This grift has & will continue to kill many people.
  - cpursley 4y ago
    Yeah, exactly. Technocrats who live in Ivory towers. Ivory towers with centralized climate control powered by Nests and served by Postmates.
- xfitm3 4y ago
  With that same line of thinking we should all find different jobs, as giant data centers and the software industry is far more detrimental to the planet than any amount of air conditioning.
  - cpursley 4y ago
    Do you have stats to back up that data centers use more power than ac? Also, have you considered all the labor saved by computing technology?
    - xyzzyz 4y ago
      Data centers use so much energy that they need their own enormous AC systems to remove that heat from the building. Also, have you considered all the labor enabled by AC? Economic development would not be possible in tropical regions without AC, as people simply cannot work effectively in suffocating heat.