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Everyone in my family rides horses and eats horse meat; we don't see any problem with that -- at least we didn't. I haven't had horse for a long time, but when

by bambax 4y ago

Everyone in my family rides horses and eats horse meat; we don't see any problem with that -- at least we didn't. I haven't had horse for a long time, but when I was a child we had tartare de cheval every Saturday for lunch (and we went to ride horses the following day). In French riding horses is "monter à cheval" but many people (who usually don't ride) improperly say "faire du cheval". The appropriate answer when someone asks "est-ce que tu fais du cheval?" is: "je monte à cheval; ce sont les bouchers qui font du cheval". (I ride horses; only butchers "do" horses).

OJFord 4y ago
Similar quirk that irks me in English is 'horseback riding': it's just 'riding' - or 'riding on horseback', 'horse riding' - the whole thing's coming! 'horseback riding' to me sounds like it's supposed to be a humourous phrase along the lines of 'driving a desk' (a sort of blue-collar self-deprecation for having moved up from driving whatever vehicle) - like you're still in training and haven't been given a live horse yet or something.
- bambax 4y ago
  > it's just 'riding' You can ride other things beside horses: bikes, motorcycles, scooters...
  - bigDinosaur 4y ago
    You can usually work it out from the context of the person you know. If you have friends who invite you out ambiguously because they're into both motorcycles and horses, lucky you!
  - OJFord 4y ago
    Yes but those things don't get called 'riding'. I didn't claim English was logical. Even if they did, 'a ride' is ambiguous at least over horse and bicycle. I didn't claim it was unambiguous either.
- oergiR 4y ago
  In English everywhere except the US, it’s “horse riding”; “horseback riding” is US English. Definitely humorous: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wSw3IWRJa0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wSw3IWRJa0
  - OJFord 4y ago
    I know it originates in the US (where I'm not from, perhaps hence it grating) but like so many things it does seem to be catching.
- motohagiography 4y ago
  Indeed, calling it just "riding" is one of many odd horsepeople shibboleths. This is actually my other huge nerd topic. Other ones include that nobody calls them stables, it's "the barn," there is a difference between a rider, an owner, horsewoman, horseman (horseman is a reverently reserved term of respect, and horsewoman is also a term of respect, both take a few decades of riding to earn, when a horsewoman is a horseman, it's like saying Maestro, it's deference). English and Western riding are a level of detail equivalent to red and white wine, they sort of describe more what you don't do more than what you in fact do. A trail ride is called going out for a hack, or going hacking, and a horse that is safe on a trail is called a good hack. Disciplines are very siloed and the equivalent difference would be someone interested in rally car racing vs. street racing, where they both like cars, but wouldn't have much to talk about other than some technical rivalry. It's almost to the level of the difference between SWE and devops, you're both "good at computers," but that's about all they have in common. Wrt motorcycles, we also say motorcyclist or biker, not rider. Funny that the differences between motorcyclists and bikers are alot like that of English and Western riding, as they're motivated by different things. Also, I've eaten a horse steak. I don't crave it, but it's neutral. Part of our human stewardship of nature involves killing, culling and eating other animals, just as bugs will devour my body once I go. The squeamishness around eating horse meat seems more like a fear of ones own mortality after being confronted with the body of a being one empathizes with. It's a free preference and choice, and I would only say that fear is expressed by people who would judge others for eating the meat, but not by someone who just doesn't eat it. source: rides motorycle to the barn to go on a hack to unwind after hacking all day as a desk jockey and using hack writer skills to comment on hacker news.
  - OJFord 4y ago
    I'm not a horseperson, I'd still say 'riding'. Didn't know about 'barns' though, not in that context anyway: I used to/would like to think I still play ice hockey; some call the rinks (or rather the buildings housing them) 'barns' too.

by bambax 4y ago

OJFord 4y ago

Similar quirk that irks me in English is 'horseback riding': it's just 'riding' - or 'riding on horseback', 'horse riding' - the whole thing's coming! 'horseback riding' to me sounds like it's supposed to be a humourous phrase along the lines of 'driving a desk' (a sort of blue-collar self-deprecation for having moved up from driving whatever vehicle) - like you're still in training and haven't been given a live horse yet or something.

bambax 4y ago
> it's just 'riding' You can ride other things beside horses: bikes, motorcycles, scooters...
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  You can usually work it out from the context of the person you know. If you have friends who invite you out ambiguously because they're into both motorcycles and horses, lucky you!
- OJFord 4y ago
  Yes but those things don't get called 'riding'. I didn't claim English was logical. Even if they did, 'a ride' is ambiguous at least over horse and bicycle. I didn't claim it was unambiguous either.
oergiR 4y ago
In English everywhere except the US, it’s “horse riding”; “horseback riding” is US English. Definitely humorous: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wSw3IWRJa0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wSw3IWRJa0
- OJFord 4y ago
  I know it originates in the US (where I'm not from, perhaps hence it grating) but like so many things it does seem to be catching.
motohagiography 4y ago
Indeed, calling it just "riding" is one of many odd horsepeople shibboleths. This is actually my other huge nerd topic. Other ones include that nobody calls them stables, it's "the barn," there is a difference between a rider, an owner, horsewoman, horseman (horseman is a reverently reserved term of respect, and horsewoman is also a term of respect, both take a few decades of riding to earn, when a horsewoman is a horseman, it's like saying Maestro, it's deference). English and Western riding are a level of detail equivalent to red and white wine, they sort of describe more what you don't do more than what you in fact do. A trail ride is called going out for a hack, or going hacking, and a horse that is safe on a trail is called a good hack. Disciplines are very siloed and the equivalent difference would be someone interested in rally car racing vs. street racing, where they both like cars, but wouldn't have much to talk about other than some technical rivalry. It's almost to the level of the difference between SWE and devops, you're both "good at computers," but that's about all they have in common. Wrt motorcycles, we also say motorcyclist or biker, not rider. Funny that the differences between motorcyclists and bikers are alot like that of English and Western riding, as they're motivated by different things. Also, I've eaten a horse steak. I don't crave it, but it's neutral. Part of our human stewardship of nature involves killing, culling and eating other animals, just as bugs will devour my body once I go. The squeamishness around eating horse meat seems more like a fear of ones own mortality after being confronted with the body of a being one empathizes with. It's a free preference and choice, and I would only say that fear is expressed by people who would judge others for eating the meat, but not by someone who just doesn't eat it. source: rides motorycle to the barn to go on a hack to unwind after hacking all day as a desk jockey and using hack writer skills to comment on hacker news.
- OJFord 4y ago
  I'm not a horseperson, I'd still say 'riding'. Didn't know about 'barns' though, not in that context anyway: I used to/would like to think I still play ice hockey; some call the rinks (or rather the buildings housing them) 'barns' too.