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It’s not a premium laptop, it is an entry-level Mac, which amounts to a mid-level PC, except PCs don’t have AppleSilicon, so this can best high-level PCs in som

It’s not a premium laptop, it is an entry-level Mac, which amounts to a mid-level PC, except PCs don’t have AppleSilicon, so this can best high-level PCs in some regards.

dmitriid 4y ago
> It’s not a premium laptop, it is an entry-level Mac As if those two things are mutually exclusive.
dividedbyzero 4y ago
An entry level laptop at that price point definitely is a premium product. It happens to be plenty powerful, but what most people will probably do on it would work just as well on a machine less than half the price. I'd put it in the luxury segment of laptop computers, which is why Apple can get away with the markup. You're not just buying the hardware metrics, you're also buying a design, aesthetics, finish and status. Yes, a Macbook signals status in lots of places, most people aren't SV software engineers (and even there, not getting the option may be perceived as a loss of status).
- avidphantasm 4y ago
  You are also buying a machine that will last substantially longer than most PCs costing less. If you can afford them, Macs are usually more cost-effective in the long run. I guess that makes it premium, but it’s not a high-end machine.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    Without stats this is just a myth now.
    - avidphantasm 4y ago
      A few years ago IBM reported lower TCO [1]. I also have plenty of anecdotes from family & friends keeping entry-level Macs for 5+ years, while those who cheap out and buy PCs barely get 2 years out of them. [1] https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-over-ibm-confirms-that-macs-are-535-less-expensive-than-pcs/ https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-over-ibm-confirms-that-macs...
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        The link you posted is a PR piece. It does not have actual research details. For all we know they might have made it up.
rwalle 4y ago
Come on, there is no way you can keep your face straight and say a $1,200 laptop is not a "premium" laptop. Who are you kidding? An average college student from a common middle class family is definitely NOT going to purchase this laptop, unless they make an intentional choice.

It’s not a premium laptop, it is an entry-level Mac, which amounts to a mid-level PC, except PCs don’t have AppleSilicon, so this can best high-level PCs in some regards.

dmitriid 4y ago

> It’s not a premium laptop, it is an entry-level Mac As if those two things are mutually exclusive.

dividedbyzero 4y ago

An entry level laptop at that price point definitely is a premium product. It happens to be plenty powerful, but what most people will probably do on it would work just as well on a machine less than half the price. I'd put it in the luxury segment of laptop computers, which is why Apple can get away with the markup. You're not just buying the hardware metrics, you're also buying a design, aesthetics, finish and status. Yes, a Macbook signals status in lots of places, most people aren't SV software engineers (and even there, not getting the option may be perceived as a loss of status).

avidphantasm 4y ago
You are also buying a machine that will last substantially longer than most PCs costing less. If you can afford them, Macs are usually more cost-effective in the long run. I guess that makes it premium, but it’s not a high-end machine.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  Without stats this is just a myth now.
  - avidphantasm 4y ago
    A few years ago IBM reported lower TCO [1]. I also have plenty of anecdotes from family & friends keeping entry-level Macs for 5+ years, while those who cheap out and buy PCs barely get 2 years out of them. [1] https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-over-ibm-confirms-that-macs-are-535-less-expensive-than-pcs/ https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-over-ibm-confirms-that-macs...
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      The link you posted is a PR piece. It does not have actual research details. For all we know they might have made it up.

rwalle 4y ago

Come on, there is no way you can keep your face straight and say a $1,200 laptop is not a "premium" laptop. Who are you kidding? An average college student from a common middle class family is definitely NOT going to purchase this laptop, unless they make an intentional choice.