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I'm a millennial, I don't see how licensing IP would be selling out compared with carrying sponsorship messages. I understand how the latter can be seen as sell

I'm a millennial, I don't see how licensing IP would be selling out compared with carrying sponsorship messages. I understand how the latter can be seen as selling out

tsimionescu 4y ago
If you saw Calvin in a Cola commercial, you wouldn't feel that lessens the artistic value of Calvin and Hobbes?
- ConceptJunkie 4y ago
  Sure, but what if there were Calvin and Hobbes plushies, or something similar. Setting aside, of course, all the reasons Watterson gave for not wanting to do that sort of thing. There's licensing and there's licensing. You can buy an Opus doll, but he's not flogging soft drinks.
- jsymolon 4y ago
  I feel the same way about music licensed to shows or commercials. Due to the amount of airplay a show or commercial gets, the music becomes overused. The USPS use of "Fly like an Eagle", and overplayed CSI: X shredded The Who songs. Although, "Love and Marriage" used in "Married with Children" (90's) doesn't have the same tiredness, probably because that Sinatra really wasn't in my listening list.
  - hyperman1 4y ago
    I was wondering why I heared 'Running up that hill' from Kate Bush so much on the different radio stations. Then HN had an article about someone recreating the synth sound of it. Why the renewed interest? Yesterday I heard it got used on a popular Netflix show. Ah. It could be worse, I thought they were forcing interest in some new album from her.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Still laughing about the irony of Melanie's "Look What They've Done to My Song" becoming "Look What They've Done to Oatmeal". Can't un-hear.
- burntoutfire 4y ago
  I think it's ok to cash out once your career is over. It's bad to do while creating, because the money people will inevitably influence your works. But, if you're not creating anymore, then there's no great harm in it.
  - planetafro 4y ago
    It may depend on the type of work but there is something to be said about the longevity of the art and legacy. Calvin and Hobbes was a massive part of my youth. It fed that creative and mischievous part of me that "regular" life just wasn't satisfying. I was smitten and still am. Fast forward to my daughter's birth... At around 4 years old, I bought her the giant anthology of strips which includes everything Calvin and Hobbes ever printed. Like me, it shaped her in undefinable ways. It drove her drawing and reading off the charts. She very much grew as a person because of Bill's work and my influence in reading to her often. She took over very quickly! She latched on and studied those books with a fervor that I've not seen repeated in her yet. Do you think the result would have been the same if there were T-shirts, TV shows, video games, and the like plastered all over? You can only shield a child from the world so much. They absorb everything. Anyway, I think Bill absolutely made a most excellent decision. Not only for himself, but for us.
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      > Anyway, I think Bill absolutely made a most excellent decision. Not only for himself, but for us. Especially for us. It has remained special all these years later as it hasn’t been supersaturated or made overrated by virtue of being commoditized. I’m guessing whoever inherits his estate sells the license and rights for untold millions. You can only hope a billionaire super fan buys it and buries it. At some point in the future it will all be public domain anyways. So enjoy it while you can.
      - drdec 4y ago
        > I’m guessing whoever inherits his estate sells the license and rights for untold millions. I wouldn't be surprised if he sets up a trust to control the rights to prevent that from happening.
- mcv 4y ago
  I've seen people with interesting and valuable YouTube channels suddenly pimp Raid Shadow Legends, which definitely cheapened their channel to me and made me lose some respect. I do understand it, but I'm not happy about it.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Yeah, when a woodworking channel spends half a video "testing" some new product on their table saw, I begin to feel like I am being sold a bill of goods.
    - tzs 4y ago
      How to you distinguish that from someone trying out a product to review it?
      - JKCalhoun 4y ago
        It's a tough line to walk. For something like woodworking, I suppose I'm not looking for "a new product"? Perhaps there should be separate channels in such a case: the wood-worker-reviewing-stuff channel and the making-things-from-wood channel.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        It's one of those grey areas that comes down to the integrity of the channel owner. There are probably people who never find anything wrong with stuff they're sent to review and there are people who give honest reviews. Conflicts of interest are everywhere but it doesn't mean that a potential conflict of interest automatically translates into bias.
hourago 4y ago
T-shirts of Ernesto "Che" Guevara are the top example of this. It's too take an ideal, whatever you agree with it or not, and to convert it into a product for profit. It's to commercialise ideals, memories and anything that makes people human. It reduces the idea's value and by extension our own humanity.
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
some people just care about their work more than money. Now imagine that the whole star wars franchising made more money by selling merchandise than everything else combined. That's why new movies and shows are being produced ever more often: to sell toys and merch. And that's also why the quality and the creativity went down compared to the original movies. There's a price to pay when you start thinking your business is not the art itself anymore, but selling or licensing it.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Ha ha, characters appearing for a few seconds in a background shot just to get their cameo before the inevitable Kenner/Hasbroken figure release.
batshibstein 4y ago
This is because in the last couple of decades "selling out" has become not only acceptable, not only a desirable outcome but in fact the ultimate end goal. Probably one of the key defining factors between Boomer/Gen X and Millennial/Gen Y/Z/etc. or however they are labeled.

I'm a millennial, I don't see how licensing IP would be selling out compared with carrying sponsorship messages. I understand how the latter can be seen as selling out

tsimionescu 4y ago

If you saw Calvin in a Cola commercial, you wouldn't feel that lessens the artistic value of Calvin and Hobbes?

ConceptJunkie 4y ago
Sure, but what if there were Calvin and Hobbes plushies, or something similar. Setting aside, of course, all the reasons Watterson gave for not wanting to do that sort of thing. There's licensing and there's licensing. You can buy an Opus doll, but he's not flogging soft drinks.
jsymolon 4y ago
I feel the same way about music licensed to shows or commercials. Due to the amount of airplay a show or commercial gets, the music becomes overused. The USPS use of "Fly like an Eagle", and overplayed CSI: X shredded The Who songs. Although, "Love and Marriage" used in "Married with Children" (90's) doesn't have the same tiredness, probably because that Sinatra really wasn't in my listening list.
- hyperman1 4y ago
  I was wondering why I heared 'Running up that hill' from Kate Bush so much on the different radio stations. Then HN had an article about someone recreating the synth sound of it. Why the renewed interest? Yesterday I heard it got used on a popular Netflix show. Ah. It could be worse, I thought they were forcing interest in some new album from her.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Still laughing about the irony of Melanie's "Look What They've Done to My Song" becoming "Look What They've Done to Oatmeal". Can't un-hear.
burntoutfire 4y ago
I think it's ok to cash out once your career is over. It's bad to do while creating, because the money people will inevitably influence your works. But, if you're not creating anymore, then there's no great harm in it.
- planetafro 4y ago
  It may depend on the type of work but there is something to be said about the longevity of the art and legacy. Calvin and Hobbes was a massive part of my youth. It fed that creative and mischievous part of me that "regular" life just wasn't satisfying. I was smitten and still am. Fast forward to my daughter's birth... At around 4 years old, I bought her the giant anthology of strips which includes everything Calvin and Hobbes ever printed. Like me, it shaped her in undefinable ways. It drove her drawing and reading off the charts. She very much grew as a person because of Bill's work and my influence in reading to her often. She took over very quickly! She latched on and studied those books with a fervor that I've not seen repeated in her yet. Do you think the result would have been the same if there were T-shirts, TV shows, video games, and the like plastered all over? You can only shield a child from the world so much. They absorb everything. Anyway, I think Bill absolutely made a most excellent decision. Not only for himself, but for us.
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    > Anyway, I think Bill absolutely made a most excellent decision. Not only for himself, but for us. Especially for us. It has remained special all these years later as it hasn’t been supersaturated or made overrated by virtue of being commoditized. I’m guessing whoever inherits his estate sells the license and rights for untold millions. You can only hope a billionaire super fan buys it and buries it. At some point in the future it will all be public domain anyways. So enjoy it while you can.
    - drdec 4y ago
      > I’m guessing whoever inherits his estate sells the license and rights for untold millions. I wouldn't be surprised if he sets up a trust to control the rights to prevent that from happening.
mcv 4y ago
I've seen people with interesting and valuable YouTube channels suddenly pimp Raid Shadow Legends, which definitely cheapened their channel to me and made me lose some respect. I do understand it, but I'm not happy about it.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Yeah, when a woodworking channel spends half a video "testing" some new product on their table saw, I begin to feel like I am being sold a bill of goods.
  - tzs 4y ago
    How to you distinguish that from someone trying out a product to review it?
    - JKCalhoun 4y ago
      It's a tough line to walk. For something like woodworking, I suppose I'm not looking for "a new product"? Perhaps there should be separate channels in such a case: the wood-worker-reviewing-stuff channel and the making-things-from-wood channel.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      It's one of those grey areas that comes down to the integrity of the channel owner. There are probably people who never find anything wrong with stuff they're sent to review and there are people who give honest reviews. Conflicts of interest are everywhere but it doesn't mean that a potential conflict of interest automatically translates into bias.

hourago 4y ago

T-shirts of Ernesto "Che" Guevara are the top example of this. It's too take an ideal, whatever you agree with it or not, and to convert it into a product for profit. It's to commercialise ideals, memories and anything that makes people human. It reduces the idea's value and by extension our own humanity.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

some people just care about their work more than money. Now imagine that the whole star wars franchising made more money by selling merchandise than everything else combined. That's why new movies and shows are being produced ever more often: to sell toys and merch. And that's also why the quality and the creativity went down compared to the original movies. There's a price to pay when you start thinking your business is not the art itself anymore, but selling or licensing it.

JKCalhoun 4y ago
Ha ha, characters appearing for a few seconds in a background shot just to get their cameo before the inevitable Kenner/Hasbroken figure release.

batshibstein 4y ago

This is because in the last couple of decades "selling out" has become not only acceptable, not only a desirable outcome but in fact the ultimate end goal. Probably one of the key defining factors between Boomer/Gen X and Millennial/Gen Y/Z/etc. or however they are labeled.