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You mean like this? https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-growth-and-opportunity/global-education-program https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our

by darawk 4y ago

You mean like this? https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-growth-and-opportunity/global-education-program https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-gro...

lapinot 4y ago
No, i mean like this https://archive.org/details/AK47AKMTechnicalDrawingsRussian/page/n11/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/AK47AKMTechnicalDrawingsRussian/... ;) I'm joking a bit, but really, i'm not talking about teaching arithmetic and giving away pencils (which again, is something which is progressive, but at the same time it's not hard), i'm talking about giving strategic knowledge that gives you negotiation power (not weapons particularly btw). Building up strategic independence for these territories.
- darawk 4y ago
  Don't you have to teach people arithmetic before you can teach them to do complex manufacturing? It doesn't seem to me like most of Africa has the level of education necessary to sustain operations like these.
  - lapinot 4y ago
    Yeah right, they barely have enough braincells to not basically do group sucide and have so much trouble behaving rationally, like you know posting cats on instagram. Dude. Everywhere in the world you can find people to organize elementary school, they have local intellectuals too. They have artisans, musicians, mechanics, farmers and markets, philosophers. It's disrespectful to consider that they have other problems for these kinds of job than financial and materialistic ones. No society is this dumb. And it's even also kind of dangerous, or at least not very culturally consensual, to come there grab small kids and with our best intentions teach them the western way. Maybe this won't be very well received. Maybe it really shouldn't be well received given all the mixup with evangelism (religious and cultural) that has taken place. Educating kids is a local matter and no one should be allowed to do more than help local people teach their kids. This is how you build trust and bidirectional/balanced relationships. Additionally, if you micro-manage people like that, they will still be vulnerable to another entity like you taking your place. So i maintain my position: what matters is the actually hard stuff, all the manuals we have, annotated maps, high-quality data sources and costly laboratory machines. High level information about what's going on and basic means to act on that. They'll find out what to do and you will actually build a strong ally, not a puppet you have to take care of.
    - darawk 4y ago
      Nobody is saying they are incapable. I am incapable of running a nuclear power plant, or a modern pharmaceutical lab, even if you give me the manuals. I imagine you are too. Qualifying either of us to do those things would take years of education in the basics of both of those fields. That doesn't make us stupid or incompetent or backwards. It just means that we haven't had to learn those particular things. Simple question: Have you ever seen an example of what you're describing work? If so, where?

by darawk 4y ago

You mean like this? https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-growth-and-opportunity/global-education-program https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-gro...

lapinot 4y ago

No, i mean like this https://archive.org/details/AK47AKMTechnicalDrawingsRussian/page/n11/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/AK47AKMTechnicalDrawingsRussian/... ;) I'm joking a bit, but really, i'm not talking about teaching arithmetic and giving away pencils (which again, is something which is progressive, but at the same time it's not hard), i'm talking about giving strategic knowledge that gives you negotiation power (not weapons particularly btw). Building up strategic independence for these territories.

darawk 4y ago
Don't you have to teach people arithmetic before you can teach them to do complex manufacturing? It doesn't seem to me like most of Africa has the level of education necessary to sustain operations like these.
- lapinot 4y ago
  Yeah right, they barely have enough braincells to not basically do group sucide and have so much trouble behaving rationally, like you know posting cats on instagram. Dude. Everywhere in the world you can find people to organize elementary school, they have local intellectuals too. They have artisans, musicians, mechanics, farmers and markets, philosophers. It's disrespectful to consider that they have other problems for these kinds of job than financial and materialistic ones. No society is this dumb. And it's even also kind of dangerous, or at least not very culturally consensual, to come there grab small kids and with our best intentions teach them the western way. Maybe this won't be very well received. Maybe it really shouldn't be well received given all the mixup with evangelism (religious and cultural) that has taken place. Educating kids is a local matter and no one should be allowed to do more than help local people teach their kids. This is how you build trust and bidirectional/balanced relationships. Additionally, if you micro-manage people like that, they will still be vulnerable to another entity like you taking your place. So i maintain my position: what matters is the actually hard stuff, all the manuals we have, annotated maps, high-quality data sources and costly laboratory machines. High level information about what's going on and basic means to act on that. They'll find out what to do and you will actually build a strong ally, not a puppet you have to take care of.
  - darawk 4y ago
    Nobody is saying they are incapable. I am incapable of running a nuclear power plant, or a modern pharmaceutical lab, even if you give me the manuals. I imagine you are too. Qualifying either of us to do those things would take years of education in the basics of both of those fields. That doesn't make us stupid or incompetent or backwards. It just means that we haven't had to learn those particular things. Simple question: Have you ever seen an example of what you're describing work? If so, where?