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Android seems [1] to be 34% (EDIT: or 23%? see [2]) vs. 15% for the top 2 players—is it really that stark of a contrast with 30% vs. 20% to call it unhealthy?

Android seems [1] to be 34% (EDIT: or 23%? see [2]) vs. 15% for the top 2 players—is it really that stark of a contrast with 30% vs. 20% to call it unhealthy? [1] https://www.appbrain.com/stats/top-manufacturers https://www.appbrain.com/stats/top-manufacturers [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32114999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32114999

ekianjo 4y ago
That kind of market share in volume is useless. The market share in value is much more relevant. Selling 100 usd smartphones is not the same as selling 1000 usd smartphones.
- dataflow 4y ago
  What are the statistics for those?
  - altfredd 4y ago
    The statistics are as following: Huawei made a few 1000 usd smartphones, but nearly went bankrupt and had to sell their mobile division.
    - polskibus 4y ago
      Did they sell everything mobile or just the Honor brand?
    - fauigerzigerk 4y ago
      Huawei's fate had nothing to do with markets or with the price of their phones though.
  - fauigerzigerk 4y ago
    So for 2021 the revenue share is Apple 44% Samsung 16% BBK Electronics 16% (Oppo/OnePlus/Realme 8%, Vivo 8%) Xiaomi 8% Others 16% That's according to Counterpoint Research [1] Profitability appears to be even more skewed in favour of Apple but I don't know the exact numbers. It would be interesting to know what's included in that 16% others category as that's where any challengers would be coming from. [1] https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-revenue-hits-record-450-billion-2021-apple-captures-highest-ever-share-q4-2021/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-reven...
    - fomine3 4y ago
      Note that OPPO/OnePlus/Realme isn't BBK, as original report distinguishes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27871845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27871845
      - fauigerzigerk 4y ago
        Wikipedia claims that BBK is the parent company of Oppo and Vivo, in the case of Oppo based on this government source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160423202414/http://www.dg.gov.cn/gjhycs/s33353/201206/514125.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160423202414/http://www.dg.gov... Unfortunately, I don't know what the authoritative source for company information is in China. It can't be blog posts and media reports I suppose.
        fomine3 4y ago
        Interesting. I found OPPO and vivo's official response for a question. It seems that it should be distinguished for statistics, though they share origin and founders. https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/557027909615399132.html https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/557027909615399132.html https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1606300474779701827.html https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1606300474779701827.html

ekianjo 4y ago

That kind of market share in volume is useless. The market share in value is much more relevant. Selling 100 usd smartphones is not the same as selling 1000 usd smartphones.

dataflow 4y ago
What are the statistics for those?
- altfredd 4y ago
  The statistics are as following: Huawei made a few 1000 usd smartphones, but nearly went bankrupt and had to sell their mobile division.
  - polskibus 4y ago
    Did they sell everything mobile or just the Honor brand?
  - fauigerzigerk 4y ago
    Huawei's fate had nothing to do with markets or with the price of their phones though.
- fauigerzigerk 4y ago
  So for 2021 the revenue share is Apple 44% Samsung 16% BBK Electronics 16% (Oppo/OnePlus/Realme 8%, Vivo 8%) Xiaomi 8% Others 16% That's according to Counterpoint Research [1] Profitability appears to be even more skewed in favour of Apple but I don't know the exact numbers. It would be interesting to know what's included in that 16% others category as that's where any challengers would be coming from. [1] https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-revenue-hits-record-450-billion-2021-apple-captures-highest-ever-share-q4-2021/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-reven...
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Note that OPPO/OnePlus/Realme isn't BBK, as original report distinguishes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27871845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27871845
    - fauigerzigerk 4y ago
      Wikipedia claims that BBK is the parent company of Oppo and Vivo, in the case of Oppo based on this government source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160423202414/http://www.dg.gov.cn/gjhycs/s33353/201206/514125.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160423202414/http://www.dg.gov... Unfortunately, I don't know what the authoritative source for company information is in China. It can't be blog posts and media reports I suppose.
      - fomine3 4y ago
        Interesting. I found OPPO and vivo's official response for a question. It seems that it should be distinguished for statistics, though they share origin and founders. https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/557027909615399132.html https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/557027909615399132.html https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1606300474779701827.html https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1606300474779701827.html