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c'mon, "coup" is a bit of a ridiculous way to describe a few nutcases trespassing on government property. I did worse as a teenager.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
The nutcases were the distraction for the plan to breach Congress. You need a mob to operate without interference from Capitol police. The idea was to pull a mayor Giuliani after 9/11 scenario and have an excuse to stay in power after manufacturing chaos.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  Giuliani tried to get a three month extension on his term in the wake of a massive terrorist attack in NYC. He also threatened to try to get the term limits on the mayoralty changed so he could run again. He was denied and Bloomberg was elected. Bloomberg did get around the term limits thing to get an extra term, which I bring up to highlight that a mayor serving a third term is not some horrible crisis or usurpation. "Pulling a Giuliani" just seems like a weird expression. First, the events weren't all that comparable - 9/11 versus an hours long riot. If the worst terrorist attack on American soil didn't weaken democracy enough for a mayor to take a third term, why would a protest turned riot overthrow the presidency? Second, what Giuliani tried wasn't even that bad. And, third, not even Giuliani could pull off a Giuliani. Personally, people who think the January 6 riot was some coup seem a bit hyperbolic to me. Was it a coup attempt when violent protesters attacked Trump's inauguration? I'd say no, of course not. Neither was January 6th.
barking_biscuit 4y ago
Those nutcases being Donald Trump, Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Rudy Guliani and Sidney Powell to be clear.
delecti 4y ago
If it were just the people storming the capitol it would already be one of the worst security breaches in the country's history. It also involved more than 60 lawsuits to overturn election results, plots to submit fraudulent slates of electors or fraudulent election results, attempts to convince officials in several states to just overturn their states' election results, over 100 congresspeople voting to overturn lawful elector counts, pressure on the vice-president to illegally overturn the election results (or even just to cooperate with them trying to do that), and plenty more, much of which was organized by the outgoing administration. It perfectly fits the definition of "self-coup", with no exaggeration required.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

The nutcases were the distraction for the plan to breach Congress. You need a mob to operate without interference from Capitol police. The idea was to pull a mayor Giuliani after 9/11 scenario and have an excuse to stay in power after manufacturing chaos.

ALittleLight 4y ago
Giuliani tried to get a three month extension on his term in the wake of a massive terrorist attack in NYC. He also threatened to try to get the term limits on the mayoralty changed so he could run again. He was denied and Bloomberg was elected. Bloomberg did get around the term limits thing to get an extra term, which I bring up to highlight that a mayor serving a third term is not some horrible crisis or usurpation. "Pulling a Giuliani" just seems like a weird expression. First, the events weren't all that comparable - 9/11 versus an hours long riot. If the worst terrorist attack on American soil didn't weaken democracy enough for a mayor to take a third term, why would a protest turned riot overthrow the presidency? Second, what Giuliani tried wasn't even that bad. And, third, not even Giuliani could pull off a Giuliani. Personally, people who think the January 6 riot was some coup seem a bit hyperbolic to me. Was it a coup attempt when violent protesters attacked Trump's inauguration? I'd say no, of course not. Neither was January 6th.

barking_biscuit 4y ago

Those nutcases being Donald Trump, Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Rudy Guliani and Sidney Powell to be clear.

delecti 4y ago

If it were just the people storming the capitol it would already be one of the worst security breaches in the country's history. It also involved more than 60 lawsuits to overturn election results, plots to submit fraudulent slates of electors or fraudulent election results, attempts to convince officials in several states to just overturn their states' election results, over 100 congresspeople voting to overturn lawful elector counts, pressure on the vice-president to illegally overturn the election results (or even just to cooperate with them trying to do that), and plenty more, much of which was organized by the outgoing administration. It perfectly fits the definition of "self-coup", with no exaggeration required.