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To anyone who watched the disaster that was the netflix live adaptation and was put off - please try the original anime. It's a masterpiece. Animation, characte

To anyone who watched the disaster that was the netflix live adaptation and was put off - please try the original anime. It's a masterpiece. Animation, characters, storytelling, soundtrack - it's all top shelf. The original intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-D9LrFJd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-D9LrFJd4 The English dub is better than most, and if you really can't deal with subtitles, go for it - but the original voice actors were some of the best and there's so much there, it's a bit of a shame to miss out on it if you can tolerate reading the subtitles. It's easy to find the dubbed first episode of the anime series online on youtube, if anyone wants to get their feet wet. I still don't know what Netflix was thinking, trying to take on one of the most beloved and respected animes ever made, and giving it the budget and casting of a SyFy Channel C-grade doomsday movie.

ge96 4y ago
Yeah I'm fortunate I found it 10+ yrs ago. Great sci fi concepts/scenes. I still rewatch certain episodes every now and then. That and the Gundam/Macross series.
yaomtc 4y ago
This is a very rare example of an anime where I prefer the dub to the original audio. Not only was the casting and acting excellent, but they even went the extra mile in the mixing and environmental audio, which was fine in the original but even improved in the dub.
- deltaonenine 4y ago
  I logged in to comment to say I absolutely despised the dub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdxUNk1wR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdxUNk1wR4 Do not watch the dub.
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    The dub seems way better in that comparison. Generally I far prefer the dub tho for most anime. I’m not Japanese and so the sub always feels lifeless and serious. The dub is way more entertaining
    - deltaonenine 4y ago
      The dub is comical and has bad acting. The pacing and the tone is completely off from how normal people talk. The japanese, even though I don't understand it, has a better tone and the talking doesn't sound forced.
      - bowsamic 4y ago
        I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style
        deltaonenine 4y ago
        Comical in the wrong sense, as in it's so bad it's funny. The sub is more serious sounding and is a reflection of what the directors vision was. The english version is a mangling of what cowboy bebop was intended to be. Heck Faye in japanese sounds like a 25 year old woman while in the English version she sounds 40. > also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. You realize that anime is a genre in itself that can be as serious as anything else out there? Japanese voice actors are the best in the world. Cowboy bebop has comedic elements but the genre is NOT cartoon, it's science fiction noir with a jazzy element and kung fu. Nowhere in there is "cartoon." I think you like cartoons. And you like the warped version of what cowboy bebop was not intended to be. Or is this really true? The ending was serious. Was the ending still cartoony to you? Maybe it isn't that you like cartoons. Maybe you're just use to the voice actors and can see past the horrible acting. Or maybe you're not use to subs. Even so the fact that you can hear the bad acting from the dub shows that you're preference is less than objective. The Japanese version has definitively better acting. I can't accept the dubbed versions level of acting in a regular Hollywood movie, so I can't accept it if it's in an anime too. The bar doesn't lower for me just because it's an animation, but I guess it does for you.
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  - goodpoint 4y ago
    The dub is horrible. Why dubbers use these inexpressive and "cartoonish" voices? And why the exaggerated accents?
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  - scubbo 4y ago
    What is is that you don't like about that dub? Sounds perfectly fine to me. The only differences I could notice were: * Spike's voice is a little higher in English, which (IMO) works well with his light-hearted refusal to take anything seriously * Faye sounds more like a girl than a woman in Japanese * There was at least one case of "English in Japanese" ("Great-o Spirit-o" around 3:30), which always makes it hard for me to take subs seriously
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- xbar 4y ago
  I prefer the dub, too. That's unusual for me. I find the original audio enjoyable as an alternative way to explore the episodes, but I got a great deal of enjoyment from the casting and the acting.
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- Groxx 4y ago
  One of the extreme few series that does it at all with a dub, yeah. It helps so much, and it's so trivial to achieve nowadays, I really don't understand why dubs are overwhelmingly so flat. It's awful.
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pseudoramble 4y ago
I’m a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to sub/dub debates. I find myself usually enjoying one or the other more, depending on the show and sometimes the season. For example, Cowboy Bebop I enjoy both, though probably prefer the dub a bit more. If I’m watching Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, my preference changes season to season since the cast is always changing, and the context of the story changes which I think makes one better over the other. In other cases I’ve definitely preferred the sub. I don’t think my point is view is unique, but I also don’t see it reflected in discussions much. What’s your take on it?
flobosg 4y ago
Besides, Cowboy Bebop is a great entry point for someone who wants to get into anime.
- krapp 4y ago
  I don't know. The series is decades old and done at this point, and no longer resembles modern anime in appearance, tone or content. Showing it to a newcomer then leading them into genre that consists of almost nothing but otaku fanservice isekai and shonen battle series would be doing them a disservice.
  - flobosg 4y ago
    I didn't say it was an entry point to modern anime.
Izkata 4y ago
Contrary opinion: I actually just finished the anime a few weeks ago, first time ever seeing it - and for the most part found it boring. A couple episodes were interesting, but nothing really held my attention (I only kept at it because I'd watch it while doing laundry, so I wasn't really doing anything else). I can't help but think most people with such a high opinion of it are at least partially looking at it through nostalgia goggles.
- xbar 4y ago
  I'm curious: did you roll the opening theme and closing credits fully for each episode?
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  I think it depends on what one is looking for in a show. It’s a bad fit if the expectation is something with a strong serialized narrative or lots of drama (aka “highly bingeable”), because it’s episodic and more focused on building a world for the characters to exist in, exploring it through those characters, and creating a particular vibe. I think it actually works best watched in original broadcast form… an episode per week, allowing some time for each episode to percolate a bit mentally.
  - Izkata 4y ago
    > I think it actually works best watched in original broadcast form… an episode per week, allowing some time for each episode to percolate a bit mentally. That's exactly what I did, one episode fits perfectly within the wash cycle.

ge96 4y ago

Yeah I'm fortunate I found it 10+ yrs ago. Great sci fi concepts/scenes. I still rewatch certain episodes every now and then. That and the Gundam/Macross series.

yaomtc 4y ago

This is a very rare example of an anime where I prefer the dub to the original audio. Not only was the casting and acting excellent, but they even went the extra mile in the mixing and environmental audio, which was fine in the original but even improved in the dub.

deltaonenine 4y ago
I logged in to comment to say I absolutely despised the dub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdxUNk1wR4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdxUNk1wR4 Do not watch the dub.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  The dub seems way better in that comparison. Generally I far prefer the dub tho for most anime. I’m not Japanese and so the sub always feels lifeless and serious. The dub is way more entertaining
  - deltaonenine 4y ago
    The dub is comical and has bad acting. The pacing and the tone is completely off from how normal people talk. The japanese, even though I don't understand it, has a better tone and the talking doesn't sound forced.
    - bowsamic 4y ago
      I think it should be comical, because that makes it more entertaining. The sub is more boring because it's more serious sounding. I also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. Generally I far prefer the English dub style to the stern and serious Japanese sub style
      - deltaonenine 4y ago
        Comical in the wrong sense, as in it's so bad it's funny. The sub is more serious sounding and is a reflection of what the directors vision was. The english version is a mangling of what cowboy bebop was intended to be. Heck Faye in japanese sounds like a 25 year old woman while in the English version she sounds 40. > also don't see why it needs to be like how normal people talk, because it's literally a cartoon. You realize that anime is a genre in itself that can be as serious as anything else out there? Japanese voice actors are the best in the world. Cowboy bebop has comedic elements but the genre is NOT cartoon, it's science fiction noir with a jazzy element and kung fu. Nowhere in there is "cartoon." I think you like cartoons. And you like the warped version of what cowboy bebop was not intended to be. Or is this really true? The ending was serious. Was the ending still cartoony to you? Maybe it isn't that you like cartoons. Maybe you're just use to the voice actors and can see past the horrible acting. Or maybe you're not use to subs. Even so the fact that you can hear the bad acting from the dub shows that you're preference is less than objective. The Japanese version has definitively better acting. I can't accept the dubbed versions level of acting in a regular Hollywood movie, so I can't accept it if it's in an anime too. The bar doesn't lower for me just because it's an animation, but I guess it does for you.
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- goodpoint 4y ago
  The dub is horrible. Why dubbers use these inexpressive and "cartoonish" voices? And why the exaggerated accents?
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- scubbo 4y ago
  What is is that you don't like about that dub? Sounds perfectly fine to me. The only differences I could notice were: * Spike's voice is a little higher in English, which (IMO) works well with his light-hearted refusal to take anything seriously * Faye sounds more like a girl than a woman in Japanese * There was at least one case of "English in Japanese" ("Great-o Spirit-o" around 3:30), which always makes it hard for me to take subs seriously
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xbar 4y ago
I prefer the dub, too. That's unusual for me. I find the original audio enjoyable as an alternative way to explore the episodes, but I got a great deal of enjoyment from the casting and the acting.
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Groxx 4y ago
One of the extreme few series that does it at all with a dub, yeah. It helps so much, and it's so trivial to achieve nowadays, I really don't understand why dubs are overwhelmingly so flat. It's awful.

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pseudoramble 4y ago

I’m a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to sub/dub debates. I find myself usually enjoying one or the other more, depending on the show and sometimes the season. For example, Cowboy Bebop I enjoy both, though probably prefer the dub a bit more. If I’m watching Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, my preference changes season to season since the cast is always changing, and the context of the story changes which I think makes one better over the other. In other cases I’ve definitely preferred the sub. I don’t think my point is view is unique, but I also don’t see it reflected in discussions much. What’s your take on it?

flobosg 4y ago

Besides, Cowboy Bebop is a great entry point for someone who wants to get into anime.

krapp 4y ago
I don't know. The series is decades old and done at this point, and no longer resembles modern anime in appearance, tone or content. Showing it to a newcomer then leading them into genre that consists of almost nothing but otaku fanservice isekai and shonen battle series would be doing them a disservice.
- flobosg 4y ago
  I didn't say it was an entry point to modern anime.

Izkata 4y ago

Contrary opinion: I actually just finished the anime a few weeks ago, first time ever seeing it - and for the most part found it boring. A couple episodes were interesting, but nothing really held my attention (I only kept at it because I'd watch it while doing laundry, so I wasn't really doing anything else). I can't help but think most people with such a high opinion of it are at least partially looking at it through nostalgia goggles.

xbar 4y ago
I'm curious: did you roll the opening theme and closing credits fully for each episode?
kitsunesoba 4y ago
I think it depends on what one is looking for in a show. It’s a bad fit if the expectation is something with a strong serialized narrative or lots of drama (aka “highly bingeable”), because it’s episodic and more focused on building a world for the characters to exist in, exploring it through those characters, and creating a particular vibe. I think it actually works best watched in original broadcast form… an episode per week, allowing some time for each episode to percolate a bit mentally.
- Izkata 4y ago
  > I think it actually works best watched in original broadcast form… an episode per week, allowing some time for each episode to percolate a bit mentally. That's exactly what I did, one episode fits perfectly within the wash cycle.