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What is your definition of copper? Almost everywhere I’ve ever lived, the only broadband internet available was provided using coax cable.

NegativeLatency 4y ago
Phone lines, DSL, ADSL
deepsun 4y ago
Exactly. Parent meant copper home phone lines (at least ADSL could run there, not as good but still).
inferiorhuman 4y ago
POTS. ILECS were required for a while (still are?) to sell access to their central office DSLAMs. For a hot moment in the early 00s there was a fair bit of competition for DSL service (at least in the Bay Area). If memory serves – as technology moved on to higher speed DSL that worked over shorter distances (and required more RTs as a result) legislation stayed the same. Essentially the only things that ILECS were required to provide access to were outdated products that nobody wants. Sonic finally shut down their resold AT&T ADSL (G.DMT) service this year in large part because it was so unpopular. They still offer ADSL2/VDSL2 service out of their own DSLAMs as well as fiber and resold AT&T whatever (not sure how that came about).
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > ILECS were required for a while (still are?) to sell access to their central office DSLAMs. It was just the copper, not the DSLAM access. What you could do is buy colo space at the CO and install your own DSLAM, and the ILEC was required to cross connect the copper to your cage. What you did from there was your business, as was all of the CPE. I worked at a CLEC for 10 years during the good times. Even set up a few of our colos myself back in the day. I still think we (the US government) should have kept going and required incumbents to lease access to any last-mile wiring technology. It should be part of the price for enjoying what amounts to a government-sanctioned monopoly. Even better, just make the last-mile network a regulated utility like water & electric.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    Ah, even better haha. Agreed that the FCC should've continued requiring open access. However I'd go further and say that much of the infrastructure should be state owned and leased to private companies. Or outlaw exclusive franchise agreements, require timely access to utility poles, etc. Regulate like an electric company? Well I'm from California and given how bad our electric companies are and how toothless the state regulator is I'm not sure how much of an improvement that would be.

NegativeLatency 4y ago

Phone lines, DSL, ADSL

deepsun 4y ago

Exactly. Parent meant copper home phone lines (at least ADSL could run there, not as good but still).

inferiorhuman 4y ago

POTS. ILECS were required for a while (still are?) to sell access to their central office DSLAMs. For a hot moment in the early 00s there was a fair bit of competition for DSL service (at least in the Bay Area). If memory serves – as technology moved on to higher speed DSL that worked over shorter distances (and required more RTs as a result) legislation stayed the same. Essentially the only things that ILECS were required to provide access to were outdated products that nobody wants. Sonic finally shut down their resold AT&T ADSL (G.DMT) service this year in large part because it was so unpopular. They still offer ADSL2/VDSL2 service out of their own DSLAMs as well as fiber and resold AT&T whatever (not sure how that came about).

rootusrootus 4y ago
> ILECS were required for a while (still are?) to sell access to their central office DSLAMs. It was just the copper, not the DSLAM access. What you could do is buy colo space at the CO and install your own DSLAM, and the ILEC was required to cross connect the copper to your cage. What you did from there was your business, as was all of the CPE. I worked at a CLEC for 10 years during the good times. Even set up a few of our colos myself back in the day. I still think we (the US government) should have kept going and required incumbents to lease access to any last-mile wiring technology. It should be part of the price for enjoying what amounts to a government-sanctioned monopoly. Even better, just make the last-mile network a regulated utility like water & electric.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  Ah, even better haha. Agreed that the FCC should've continued requiring open access. However I'd go further and say that much of the infrastructure should be state owned and leased to private companies. Or outlaw exclusive franchise agreements, require timely access to utility poles, etc. Regulate like an electric company? Well I'm from California and given how bad our electric companies are and how toothless the state regulator is I'm not sure how much of an improvement that would be.