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The vax is still orders of magnitude safer than catching SARS-COV-2.

by moistly 4y ago

jjgreen 4y ago
That's true, but is not really relevant to sn0w_crash's observations.
- bergenty 4y ago
  It is very relevant. It is because antivaxers created a violent and hostile environment that forces the opposition to become draconian.
  - brainphreeze 4y ago
    Just because you keep repeating this line, it doesn't make it true
    - bergenty 4y ago
      Just because you said it isn’t doesn’t make it false either. On a more serious note, of course it’s true. Blocking traffic, picketing hospitals, calling for the death of medical professionals is violent behavior.
      - MuchoMaas 4y ago
        Just to be clear about what actually transpired, traffic was blocked (a minor inconvenience) to protest mandates which were destroying people's livelihoods -- mandates which never had even the slightest scientific justification since they were all implemented well after the CDC Provincetown study in July showed the vaccinated spread COVID quite easily, but which the provax side continued to insist on through the fall and winter in a display of pointless stubbornness. Most of the hospital protests were also in reaction to mandates for staff, as well as the absolutely psychotic and vindictive policy many of them adopted of refusing to provide transplant surgery to the unvaccinated.
        moistly 4y ago
        It was a hell of a lot more than mere inconvenient protest. There were assaults at hospitals. Doctors and nurses had to take extra personal security measures. Ambulances were delayed and blocked. Patients were subjected to disruptive noise and din from dawn to late night. Vaccination clinics had bomb threats phoned in, and there were more assaults. Oh, and hospitals were overwhelmed by the non-immunized brainwashed, leading us to the current crisis of quitting, burned-out nurses and doctors, who just can’t take this shit any more. It was a hell of a lot more than “a minor inconvenience”.
        MuchoMaas 4y ago
        bergenty 4y ago
        Then they should act like respectable humans. Pillaging hospitals and violently attacking doctors is not your average citizen.
        MuchoMaas 4y ago
        "Pillaging" lmao what are you talking about?
        moistly 4y ago
        Impossible to take seriously someone who lies that protestors were “a minor inconvenience” and lies that vaccinations are “very high risk” (lmaowtfbbq) and lies that vaccines have “killed many” (the fuuuuuck?) and lies that vaccines have failed. Nothing but stupid lies. So. Goddamned. Stupid.
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    Forces?
mancerayder 4y ago
The vax doesn't prevent catching it, it only reduces the intensity of it.
MuchoMaas 4y ago
There are some sizeable demographics for whom this may not be the case: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239 > The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).
GekkePrutser 4y ago
You'll catch it anyway but it's safer to catch it with the vax for sure

The vax is still orders of magnitude safer than catching SARS-COV-2.

jjgreen 4y ago

That's true, but is not really relevant to sn0w_crash's observations.

bergenty 4y ago
It is very relevant. It is because antivaxers created a violent and hostile environment that forces the opposition to become draconian.
- brainphreeze 4y ago
  Just because you keep repeating this line, it doesn't make it true
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Just because you said it isn’t doesn’t make it false either. On a more serious note, of course it’s true. Blocking traffic, picketing hospitals, calling for the death of medical professionals is violent behavior.
    - MuchoMaas 4y ago
      Just to be clear about what actually transpired, traffic was blocked (a minor inconvenience) to protest mandates which were destroying people's livelihoods -- mandates which never had even the slightest scientific justification since they were all implemented well after the CDC Provincetown study in July showed the vaccinated spread COVID quite easily, but which the provax side continued to insist on through the fall and winter in a display of pointless stubbornness. Most of the hospital protests were also in reaction to mandates for staff, as well as the absolutely psychotic and vindictive policy many of them adopted of refusing to provide transplant surgery to the unvaccinated.
      - moistly 4y ago
        It was a hell of a lot more than mere inconvenient protest. There were assaults at hospitals. Doctors and nurses had to take extra personal security measures. Ambulances were delayed and blocked. Patients were subjected to disruptive noise and din from dawn to late night. Vaccination clinics had bomb threats phoned in, and there were more assaults. Oh, and hospitals were overwhelmed by the non-immunized brainwashed, leading us to the current crisis of quitting, burned-out nurses and doctors, who just can’t take this shit any more. It was a hell of a lot more than “a minor inconvenience”.
        MuchoMaas 4y ago
        bergenty 4y ago
        Then they should act like respectable humans. Pillaging hospitals and violently attacking doctors is not your average citizen.
        MuchoMaas 4y ago
        "Pillaging" lmao what are you talking about?
        moistly 4y ago
        Impossible to take seriously someone who lies that protestors were “a minor inconvenience” and lies that vaccinations are “very high risk” (lmaowtfbbq) and lies that vaccines have “killed many” (the fuuuuuck?) and lies that vaccines have failed. Nothing but stupid lies. So. Goddamned. Stupid.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Forces?

mancerayder 4y ago

The vax doesn't prevent catching it, it only reduces the intensity of it.

MuchoMaas 4y ago

There are some sizeable demographics for whom this may not be the case: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239 > The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).

GekkePrutser 4y ago

You'll catch it anyway but it's safer to catch it with the vax for sure