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There is currently almost no gas used for electricity generation in Europe (much too expensive). Even under normal conditions, heating and industry consume an o

by fsh 4y ago

There is currently almost no gas used for electricity generation in Europe (much too expensive). Even under normal conditions, heating and industry consume an order of magnitude more gas than electricity generation.

lolinder 4y ago
EDIT: This is wrong, as the commenter notes below, this is energy, not electricity. Citation? The number that I consistently see cited is 1/4 of all electricity in EU comes from Natural Gas [0]. [0] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2a.html https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2...
- fsh 4y ago
  You are citing historical numbers for primary energy (mostly transportation and heating), not for electricity. ElectricityMaps has some live data for electricity generation: https://app.electricitymaps.com https://app.electricitymaps.com
  - lolinder 4y ago
    Ah, good catch, my mistake. And thanks for the map! That's exactly what I was looking for.
acdha 4y ago
Do you a citation for that? It seems unlikely that 20-25% of EU electrical generation shifted in the last couple of years. Solar has been cutting demand for more-expensive gas but 20% is still far more than “almost no”. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51258 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51258 > Starting in 2016, consumption of natural gas in Europe’s electric power sector increased as a result of the systematic retirement of coal-fired power plants across Europe and the retirement of nuclear power plants in Germany in particular. https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/european-electricity-review-2022/ https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/european-electri... > Fossil gas power declined 8% since 2019, generating 18% of EU electricity (524 TWh). I think the underlying discrepancy might be explained by electricitymaps.com reporting real-time usage. It would be very easy to believe that today's usage is not representative of an entire year when you're looking at a brief interval in summer when solar is running at maximum efficiency, heating needs are non-existent, and everyone on the continent has been reacting to the possibility that there might be a gas shortage at any time.

by fsh 4y ago

lolinder 4y ago

EDIT: This is wrong, as the commenter notes below, this is energy, not electricity. Citation? The number that I consistently see cited is 1/4 of all electricity in EU comes from Natural Gas [0]. [0] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2a.html https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2...

fsh 4y ago
You are citing historical numbers for primary energy (mostly transportation and heating), not for electricity. ElectricityMaps has some live data for electricity generation: https://app.electricitymaps.com https://app.electricitymaps.com
- lolinder 4y ago
  Ah, good catch, my mistake. And thanks for the map! That's exactly what I was looking for.

acdha 4y ago

Do you a citation for that? It seems unlikely that 20-25% of EU electrical generation shifted in the last couple of years. Solar has been cutting demand for more-expensive gas but 20% is still far more than “almost no”. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51258 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51258 > Starting in 2016, consumption of natural gas in Europe’s electric power sector increased as a result of the systematic retirement of coal-fired power plants across Europe and the retirement of nuclear power plants in Germany in particular. https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/european-electricity-review-2022/ https://ember-climate.org/insights/research/european-electri... > Fossil gas power declined 8% since 2019, generating 18% of EU electricity (524 TWh). I think the underlying discrepancy might be explained by electricitymaps.com reporting real-time usage. It would be very easy to believe that today's usage is not representative of an entire year when you're looking at a brief interval in summer when solar is running at maximum efficiency, heating needs are non-existent, and everyone on the continent has been reacting to the possibility that there might be a gas shortage at any time.