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You're free to create your own project with your own name and have it compete on the free market for dominance. I don't get this criticism at all. Sure, it cou

You're free to create your own project with your own name and have it compete on the free market for dominance. I don't get this criticism at all. Sure, it could be simpler, but it's A. Not your project, so who are you to say how to name it and B. Rust developers clearly understand what they're used for considering they're popular enough to be brought up here. And unless you're actively developing in Rust, why would some other people's choice of naming their projects in a language and tool chain you don't ever plan on using be such a big deal?

bowsamic 4y ago
You can say this about literally any criticism ever. I hate it and it blows chunks. It is the ultimate libertarian way of striking down any discussion: do not criticise, even in any small way, because it's a free market and you can just make another one, so never EVER even THINK of discussing anything. I'm not saying that there should be some kind of totalitarian regime that enforces naming, I'm simply saying that yeah it kinda sucks that Rust devs tend towards cutesy names over ones that convey functionality. This just seems like you're getting weirdly offended for no reason. Not everything is some kind of attack on individual agency. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me remarking on the state of Rust naming. The fact that you are conflating it to be a "big deal", which I never said it was, just seems like bad faith arguing me. This is just not something to get so offended over.
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  > I'm simply saying that yeah it kinda sucks that Rust devs tend towards cutesy names over ones that convey functionality. Are you using Rust? If not, why does it matter what they choose to name their libraries. This is my entire point, you're coming in as an outsider criticizing something that is clearly not a problem to Rust devs. If actual Rust developers are using them to the point where they're popular enough to gain (unwarranted, imo) criticism, then clearly they're working, silly name and all. It's almost as if people care more about what the function a package provides rather than its name.
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    I'm not an outsider, I have used rust before, though not extensively, not that this matters at all. An active rust developer has no more permission to criticise something about the rust ecosystem than someone new to rust
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      But it does matter. If the people actively using the packages aren't complaining, then there isn't really a problem. You've hyperfocused so much on my "criticism of your criticism" and the permissibility behind it that you chose to ignore the actual criticism I laid down. I'm not continuing this either way since I've said my piece. Maybe step back and actually read my comments rather than focusing on me criticizing your critique. Also, pot calling the kettle black. You spent an entire comment being offended over my critique.
      - bowsamic 4y ago
        You probably shouldn't make such inflammatory comments on an account that is directly linked to your professional and personal profiles, it really doesn't look great Also it isn't a criticism of my criticism, it is an assertion that I should not be allowed to criticise at all, which is a totally different thing. Of course I am going to call that out EDIT: I can't reply because rate limited Please calm down. I'm not threatening you. I'm simply surprised that you make such inflammatory and aggressive comments on an account that is so closely tied to your professional life, that is all. I think you should reconsider doing so
        mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Oh so you jump to implicitly threatening those you disagree with? Wow. At least you made it clear how open you are to discussion and debate. I never said you can't criticize. As the other commenter already said, you're allowed to critique but don't be surprised when your criticism is then critiqued itself. That's the epitome of modern discussions and debate. I gave you examples of what you can do right now, aka making your own alternative packages, but you chose to ignore that all and double down on "don't you dare critique my criticism". And then (I'm going to point this out again because it's so absurd) vaguely implied my comments would face professional retribution. Because I chose to disagree with you and make that public. In any case, I said I'm stopping and I am. You should too, as you're already crossing several lines with this comment.
- mxben 4y ago
  > do not criticise Nobody said that. Of course you can criticize. But be aware that your criticism itself could be subject to criticism.
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    That's not really what's going on here though, because it isn't counter criticism, or a response to the criticism, but is instead simply "you shouldn't get to criticise"
saagarjha 4y ago
Don't Rust crates go in a global namespace? In that case using up common or short names is definitely something I get to care about.

bowsamic 4y ago

You can say this about literally any criticism ever. I hate it and it blows chunks. It is the ultimate libertarian way of striking down any discussion: do not criticise, even in any small way, because it's a free market and you can just make another one, so never EVER even THINK of discussing anything. I'm not saying that there should be some kind of totalitarian regime that enforces naming, I'm simply saying that yeah it kinda sucks that Rust devs tend towards cutesy names over ones that convey functionality. This just seems like you're getting weirdly offended for no reason. Not everything is some kind of attack on individual agency. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me remarking on the state of Rust naming. The fact that you are conflating it to be a "big deal", which I never said it was, just seems like bad faith arguing me. This is just not something to get so offended over.

mynameisvlad 4y ago
> I'm simply saying that yeah it kinda sucks that Rust devs tend towards cutesy names over ones that convey functionality. Are you using Rust? If not, why does it matter what they choose to name their libraries. This is my entire point, you're coming in as an outsider criticizing something that is clearly not a problem to Rust devs. If actual Rust developers are using them to the point where they're popular enough to gain (unwarranted, imo) criticism, then clearly they're working, silly name and all. It's almost as if people care more about what the function a package provides rather than its name.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  I'm not an outsider, I have used rust before, though not extensively, not that this matters at all. An active rust developer has no more permission to criticise something about the rust ecosystem than someone new to rust
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    But it does matter. If the people actively using the packages aren't complaining, then there isn't really a problem. You've hyperfocused so much on my "criticism of your criticism" and the permissibility behind it that you chose to ignore the actual criticism I laid down. I'm not continuing this either way since I've said my piece. Maybe step back and actually read my comments rather than focusing on me criticizing your critique. Also, pot calling the kettle black. You spent an entire comment being offended over my critique.
    - bowsamic 4y ago
      You probably shouldn't make such inflammatory comments on an account that is directly linked to your professional and personal profiles, it really doesn't look great Also it isn't a criticism of my criticism, it is an assertion that I should not be allowed to criticise at all, which is a totally different thing. Of course I am going to call that out EDIT: I can't reply because rate limited Please calm down. I'm not threatening you. I'm simply surprised that you make such inflammatory and aggressive comments on an account that is so closely tied to your professional life, that is all. I think you should reconsider doing so
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Oh so you jump to implicitly threatening those you disagree with? Wow. At least you made it clear how open you are to discussion and debate. I never said you can't criticize. As the other commenter already said, you're allowed to critique but don't be surprised when your criticism is then critiqued itself. That's the epitome of modern discussions and debate. I gave you examples of what you can do right now, aka making your own alternative packages, but you chose to ignore that all and double down on "don't you dare critique my criticism". And then (I'm going to point this out again because it's so absurd) vaguely implied my comments would face professional retribution. Because I chose to disagree with you and make that public. In any case, I said I'm stopping and I am. You should too, as you're already crossing several lines with this comment.
mxben 4y ago
> do not criticise Nobody said that. Of course you can criticize. But be aware that your criticism itself could be subject to criticism.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  That's not really what's going on here though, because it isn't counter criticism, or a response to the criticism, but is instead simply "you shouldn't get to criticise"

saagarjha 4y ago

Don't Rust crates go in a global namespace? In that case using up common or short names is definitely something I get to care about.