Just try to reason with an alternate axiom. You don't need to believe something to reason about it, and the results may be different from the string of failures

Just try to reason with an alternate axiom. You don't need to believe something to reason about it, and the results may be different from the string of failures that characterize utopianism so far. The conflict this comment describes doesn't make any sense unless you interpret the example as "all secular people," or "all libertarians," which is doesn't register as thoughtful. Is it so difficult to imagine thinking things we don't already believe? There are lots of religious libertarians, but they wouldn't characterize themselves by their political ideology because their politics aren't their identity. They can't be, again, unless they've been seized by one of these anti-ethos ideas where their identity becomes the artifact of what they have chosen to oppose.