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What do you mean specifically?

by gdy 4y ago

bvrmn 4y ago
Rogozin is a member of ultra-right movement. Like real "Russia for russians" and similar BS.
- gdy 4y ago
  I haven't heard anything like that from him for 15 years.
  - bvrmn 4y ago
    With new assignment we definitely hear something about non-existing Ukrainian nation. There is no such thing like former nazi.
    - CoastalCoder 4y ago
      > There is no such thing like former nazi. Here's one counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_Swastika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_...
    - tut-urut-utut 4y ago
      Of course there is, one of them was the founder of our space program. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
- hgazx 4y ago
  Why is “Russia for Russians” bs? Sounds like a reasonable thing to say even if you disagree.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - r721 4y ago
    This slogan implies that ethnic minorities (19% of Russia's population [1]) are not welcome in their home country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
  - lotusmars 4y ago
    This is a slogan used mostly by Russian neo-Nazis, but quietly supported by sizeable parts of general population. It’s has a few connotations. The mildest is proposing to throw all colored people out of the cities. The most severe is to exterminate them.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    > Sounds like a reasonable thing to say even if you disagree. pretty sure many Turkic, Mongolic, etc. people lived in what is now Russia long before a Russian state existed. That's treating the phrase an an ethnic thing, you might say "well clearly they mean Russian as a Nationality" but in that case Russia already belongs to Russians.
  - gdy 4y ago
    Russia is a multi-ethnic country and slogans like that are destructive.
  - orbital-decay 4y ago
    In Russian, there's a distinction between русские (ethnical Russians) and россияне (Russian nationals/citizens) which doesn't map to English well - it's Russians either way in it. This slogan implies the former (ethnical Russians), and was declared extremist long ago, for a reason. This distinction is a very frequent source of misunderstanding for both native speakers and English speakers, as Russians might hear one where you imply another, and vice versa.
r721 4y ago
Here's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an end to them, as, unfortunately, our grandfathers did not do away with them, we will have to die, but end up at an even greater cost to our grandchildren. So let’s get this over with. Once and forever. For our grandchildren.”" https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/ https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rh... He also was a leader of right-wing party Rodina in early 2000s, see more details in Wikipedia: >Under Rogozin, Rodina shifted towards the right wing of Russian politics and became the second largest and one of the country's most successful parties. A number of controversies on Rogozin's policies culminated in it being banned in 2005 from standing for election to the Moscow City Duma for using what was considered as chauvinist slogan 'Let's Clean the Garbage!'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin#Early_career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin#Early_career
- CoastalCoder 4y ago
  (I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to that end... I'd like to understand Rogozin's reasons for holding those beliefs. I know basically nothing about that region's history. Is he working from bad factual / historical data? Has he been exposed to specific propaganda / psy-ops? Has he seen or experienced something traumatic that makes him hyper-vigilant about Ukranian leadership or non-Russians in general?
  - r721 4y ago
    Personally I think this is quite close to truth: >People say though that Rogozin is not a big believer in anything, he’s just a huge cynical careerist coming from a very privileged nomenclature background riding any wave that brings him to the top. Right now he’s one of the major pro-war hawks. (quote from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578)

What do you mean specifically?

by gdy 4y ago

What do you mean specifically?

bvrmn 4y ago

Rogozin is a member of ultra-right movement. Like real "Russia for russians" and similar BS.

gdy 4y ago
I haven't heard anything like that from him for 15 years.
- bvrmn 4y ago
  With new assignment we definitely hear something about non-existing Ukrainian nation. There is no such thing like former nazi.
  - CoastalCoder 4y ago
    > There is no such thing like former nazi. Here's one counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_Swastika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_...
  - tut-urut-utut 4y ago
    Of course there is, one of them was the founder of our space program. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
hgazx 4y ago
Why is “Russia for Russians” bs? Sounds like a reasonable thing to say even if you disagree.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- r721 4y ago
  This slogan implies that ethnic minorities (19% of Russia's population [1]) are not welcome in their home country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
- lotusmars 4y ago
  This is a slogan used mostly by Russian neo-Nazis, but quietly supported by sizeable parts of general population. It’s has a few connotations. The mildest is proposing to throw all colored people out of the cities. The most severe is to exterminate them.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  > Sounds like a reasonable thing to say even if you disagree. pretty sure many Turkic, Mongolic, etc. people lived in what is now Russia long before a Russian state existed. That's treating the phrase an an ethnic thing, you might say "well clearly they mean Russian as a Nationality" but in that case Russia already belongs to Russians.
- gdy 4y ago
  Russia is a multi-ethnic country and slogans like that are destructive.
- orbital-decay 4y ago
  In Russian, there's a distinction between русские (ethnical Russians) and россияне (Russian nationals/citizens) which doesn't map to English well - it's Russians either way in it. This slogan implies the former (ethnical Russians), and was declared extremist long ago, for a reason. This distinction is a very frequent source of misunderstanding for both native speakers and English speakers, as Russians might hear one where you imply another, and vice versa.

r721 4y ago

Here's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an end to them, as, unfortunately, our grandfathers did not do away with them, we will have to die, but end up at an even greater cost to our grandchildren. So let’s get this over with. Once and forever. For our grandchildren.”" https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/ https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rh... He also was a leader of right-wing party Rodina in early 2000s, see more details in Wikipedia: >Under Rogozin, Rodina shifted towards the right wing of Russian politics and became the second largest and one of the country's most successful parties. A number of controversies on Rogozin's policies culminated in it being banned in 2005 from standing for election to the Moscow City Duma for using what was considered as chauvinist slogan 'Let's Clean the Garbage!'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin#Early_career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin#Early_career

CoastalCoder 4y ago
(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to that end... I'd like to understand Rogozin's reasons for holding those beliefs. I know basically nothing about that region's history. Is he working from bad factual / historical data? Has he been exposed to specific propaganda / psy-ops? Has he seen or experienced something traumatic that makes him hyper-vigilant about Ukranian leadership or non-Russians in general?
- r721 4y ago
  Personally I think this is quite close to truth: >People say though that Rogozin is not a big believer in anything, he’s just a huge cynical careerist coming from a very privileged nomenclature background riding any wave that brings him to the top. Right now he’s one of the major pro-war hawks. (quote from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578)