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The video clip omits the most important part of Vonnegut's lecture. He does Hamlet and it's a flat line. It's odd because this is the point of the article yet t
by Barrera 4y ago
The video clip omits the most important part of Vonnegut's lecture. He does Hamlet and it's a flat line. It's odd because this is the point of the article yet the clip omits it.
See this one, for example (near the end):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_RUgnC1lm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_RUgnC1lm8
Vonnegut concludes:
"We don't know enough in life to know what the good news is and the bad news is."
Cinderella and the rest are fantasy. Hamlet is the truth. Life is ambiguous and stories that tell us otherwise are lying to us.
This story graph thing has been quoted out of context so many times that people have completely forgotten the point Vonnegut was trying to make.
- goto11 4y agoThis is even explained in the article. It is the "infographic" which entirely misrepresent his point. The title of the article is also rather misleading. It makes is sound like he thinks there is exactly 8 possible shapes, while he is just showing some examples.
- dang 4y agoAh good point - we've de-eighted the title now. This is an obvious (except I missed it) application of the site guideline: If the title contains a gratuitous number or number + adjective, we'd appreciate it if you'd crop it. E.g. translate "10 Ways To Do X" to "How To Do X," and "14 Amazing Ys" to "Ys." Exception: when the number is meaningful, e.g. "The 5 Platonic Solids." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- barrysteve 4y agoBeautiful talk. Vonnegut nailed it. Hamlet was the truth of his time. There is meaning to life and stories about life that you can't describe as lying. "We don't know enough in life to know what the good news is and the bad news is." We won't know the answer to this challenge for a very long time.
- 0xBABAD00C 4y ago> We won't know the answer to this challenge for a very long time. This is essentially the "halting problem", or the "principle of computational irreducibility", or whatever equivalent formulation you want to pick. We'll never know the answer -- for most computations there are no shortcuts to predict their outcomes.
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- shagie 4y agoNote that at the same time he refutes his earlier part about the stories of primitive people (as he put it) who had stories that were completely flat ( https://youtu.be/4_RUgnC1lm8?t=2470 https://youtu.be/4_RUgnC1lm8?t=2470 ).
- FigmentEngine 4y agoContextomy, happens all the time https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0163443705053974 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/016344370505397...
- swayvil 4y agoStop trying to educate me. I just want to be entertained. Tell me that I am smart.
- reasonabl_human 4y agoWhat an inspiring lecture… thanks for posting!