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Nowadays I close a tab at the slightest inconvenience. Want me to subscribe to a newsletter? Close. Allow notification? Close. Privacy popup because you need to

Nowadays I close a tab at the slightest inconvenience. Want me to subscribe to a newsletter? Close. Allow notification? Close. Privacy popup because you need to spy on me? Close. Close. Close. There's a very small club of players that I can't afford to reject and you're website is probably not in it.

danielvaughn 4y ago
Same. I even close when YouTube tries to make me watch 2 15-second videos back to back, without the option to skip. My naive belief is that if enough people leave, they’ll back off.
- candiodari 4y ago
  > My naive belief is that if enough people leave, they’ll back off. Just like the TV channels did/are doing! Oh wait ...
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    But with all the tracking, you'd expect Youtube to know that people are actually going away, while TV channels didn't have that luxury. Then again, maybe they've seen that people mostly don't go away...
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      YouTube has enough users that they don't care if you go away. Because if it bothers you enough, you'll pay to stop it. I subscribe to YouTube Premium and the only time I see an ad on YT is when I'm accidentally logged in as another user.
  - danielvaughn 4y ago
    It’s kinda my point though. I’m sure TV didn’t have 5 minutes of ads every 5 minutes or whatever the ratio is. It slowly built up to that because that’s what people were willing to put up with. Over time it’s going to be the same with YouTube. People will accept multi-minute ads eventually, so eventually YouTube will run them. It’s only a matter of time. The only thing that could stop it is if people immediately leave the site when you feel the ads are too long. If that happens enough, it will force YouTube to back off. Naive to think that would happen, but I’m doing my part.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    Television's chased off the discerning / discriminating viewers. I'm well beyond the "I haven't owned one" territory to "I haven't watched in years". Because of cross-contamination of practices and techniques between commercial and public broadcasting, that includes public broadcasting. I'll watch an occasional segment on YouTube (with adblocking), but even then, I prefer simply listening to audio (mpv / command-line). The abuse isn't cost-free, and more attractive demographics will leave. This also means, of course, that the poor or mentally susceptible are left with a far-worse product and more predatory advertising as well.
    - clord 4y ago
      I’ll go one further. In addition to not watching, My kids have never in their life watched regular tv except visiting someone’s house who does. Those few times they just want to turn it off because it’s “broken and spamy.” “Why does the spam get louder.” “Do they think we care about [thing in ad]” etc. I was worried they would be more susceptible to ads. Ut it’s the opposite.
      - dredmorbius 4y ago
        Good to hear.
marcus_holmes 4y ago
There's also a target market for this content, and you're probably not in it.
coldpie 4y ago
Same, though I try Reader Mode first. If that fails, close tab. On desktop and mobile Android with Firefox, NoScript eliminates a lot of this bullshit. I switched to iPhone last year and I desperately miss Firefox for Android :(
- ricardobeat 4y ago
  The problem is that, while using NoScript, you're still giving the website traffic. The longer term solution is to stop visiting these sites.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > I switched to iPhone last year and I desperately miss Firefox for Android :( Self-promotion: I wrote a JavaScript blocking extension for Mobile Safari https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/ https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/
  - coldpie 4y ago
    Oh awesome! Are you aiming for NoScript-like experience? Being able to easily whitelist domains, permanently and temporarily, is crucial. It's not clear from the page you linked if it has a whitelist feature.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      Not easily, unfortunately. The extension relies on Safari's built-in permissions model, for technical reasons. It's possible to whitelist domains permanently, but not temporarily. https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/advanced.html https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/advanced.html
      - coldpie 4y ago
        Looks like that whitelist is also only per top-level domain. E.g. it will allow all on Youtube.com or allow none, instead of allowing to block per script origin domain. That sucks :( I'm really looking forward to switching back to Android.
rawoke083600 4y ago
Yup me too ! That includes medium.com articles or anyone of these big news/content sites that try to squeeze in an accept cookies thing with 2 static ads, one autoplay ad with a push notification request.
M0r13n 4y ago
That's exactly me! +1
thesuitonym 4y ago
Yup, I even almost did it on instinct with this site.
technion 4y ago
That's you, me and tech people. When it happens to most of my friends, the click yes. The desktop notification is the new IE BHO. Any non tech person's desktop showers them in crap, often scammy in nature even with a closed browser. I'm amazed major browser vendors still allow it.
muyuu 4y ago
same you best offer me something very concrete before you give me the slightest inconvenience this is partly why the Euro cookie laws have made the web even more hostile for smaller players, if you had any good reason to track me with cookies by default, I'm sorry but I no longer have the time to be choosing options or reading motives for your cookies - which I delete every session in my sandboxed browser anyway the annoyance that makes me click "close" with the most prejudice is when they're pushing some app on me (try for instance browsing Reddit without the old interface, it's unbearable) keep closing those tabs
seydor 4y ago
Agree. It's not like their opinion matters so much to me that i m dying to read it. If it's bad news, i will learn about it sooner than later anyway, if it's good news, the same. Maybe after years of pavlovian conditioning i ve desensitized to it.
lalopalota 4y ago
switching to reader mode doubles your contribution to their "article viewed" metric - reinforcing their belief that what they're doing is working well.

danielvaughn 4y ago

Same. I even close when YouTube tries to make me watch 2 15-second videos back to back, without the option to skip. My naive belief is that if enough people leave, they’ll back off.

candiodari 4y ago
> My naive belief is that if enough people leave, they’ll back off. Just like the TV channels did/are doing! Oh wait ...
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  But with all the tracking, you'd expect Youtube to know that people are actually going away, while TV channels didn't have that luxury. Then again, maybe they've seen that people mostly don't go away...
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    YouTube has enough users that they don't care if you go away. Because if it bothers you enough, you'll pay to stop it. I subscribe to YouTube Premium and the only time I see an ad on YT is when I'm accidentally logged in as another user.
- danielvaughn 4y ago
  It’s kinda my point though. I’m sure TV didn’t have 5 minutes of ads every 5 minutes or whatever the ratio is. It slowly built up to that because that’s what people were willing to put up with. Over time it’s going to be the same with YouTube. People will accept multi-minute ads eventually, so eventually YouTube will run them. It’s only a matter of time. The only thing that could stop it is if people immediately leave the site when you feel the ads are too long. If that happens enough, it will force YouTube to back off. Naive to think that would happen, but I’m doing my part.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  Television's chased off the discerning / discriminating viewers. I'm well beyond the "I haven't owned one" territory to "I haven't watched in years". Because of cross-contamination of practices and techniques between commercial and public broadcasting, that includes public broadcasting. I'll watch an occasional segment on YouTube (with adblocking), but even then, I prefer simply listening to audio (mpv / command-line). The abuse isn't cost-free, and more attractive demographics will leave. This also means, of course, that the poor or mentally susceptible are left with a far-worse product and more predatory advertising as well.
  - clord 4y ago
    I’ll go one further. In addition to not watching, My kids have never in their life watched regular tv except visiting someone’s house who does. Those few times they just want to turn it off because it’s “broken and spamy.” “Why does the spam get louder.” “Do they think we care about [thing in ad]” etc. I was worried they would be more susceptible to ads. Ut it’s the opposite.
    - dredmorbius 4y ago
      Good to hear.

marcus_holmes 4y ago

There's also a target market for this content, and you're probably not in it.

coldpie 4y ago

Same, though I try Reader Mode first. If that fails, close tab. On desktop and mobile Android with Firefox, NoScript eliminates a lot of this bullshit. I switched to iPhone last year and I desperately miss Firefox for Android :(

ricardobeat 4y ago
The problem is that, while using NoScript, you're still giving the website traffic. The longer term solution is to stop visiting these sites.
lapcat 4y ago
> I switched to iPhone last year and I desperately miss Firefox for Android :( Self-promotion: I wrote a JavaScript blocking extension for Mobile Safari https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/ https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/
- coldpie 4y ago
  Oh awesome! Are you aiming for NoScript-like experience? Being able to easily whitelist domains, permanently and temporarily, is crucial. It's not clear from the page you linked if it has a whitelist feature.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    Not easily, unfortunately. The extension relies on Safari's built-in permissions model, for technical reasons. It's possible to whitelist domains permanently, but not temporarily. https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/advanced.html https://underpassapp.com/StopTheScript/advanced.html
    - coldpie 4y ago
      Looks like that whitelist is also only per top-level domain. E.g. it will allow all on Youtube.com or allow none, instead of allowing to block per script origin domain. That sucks :( I'm really looking forward to switching back to Android.

rawoke083600 4y ago

Yup me too ! That includes medium.com articles or anyone of these big news/content sites that try to squeeze in an accept cookies thing with 2 static ads, one autoplay ad with a push notification request.

M0r13n 4y ago

That's exactly me! +1

thesuitonym 4y ago

Yup, I even almost did it on instinct with this site.

technion 4y ago

That's you, me and tech people. When it happens to most of my friends, the click yes. The desktop notification is the new IE BHO. Any non tech person's desktop showers them in crap, often scammy in nature even with a closed browser. I'm amazed major browser vendors still allow it.

muyuu 4y ago

same you best offer me something very concrete before you give me the slightest inconvenience this is partly why the Euro cookie laws have made the web even more hostile for smaller players, if you had any good reason to track me with cookies by default, I'm sorry but I no longer have the time to be choosing options or reading motives for your cookies - which I delete every session in my sandboxed browser anyway the annoyance that makes me click "close" with the most prejudice is when they're pushing some app on me (try for instance browsing Reddit without the old interface, it's unbearable) keep closing those tabs

seydor 4y ago

Agree. It's not like their opinion matters so much to me that i m dying to read it. If it's bad news, i will learn about it sooner than later anyway, if it's good news, the same. Maybe after years of pavlovian conditioning i ve desensitized to it.

lalopalota 4y ago

switching to reader mode doubles your contribution to their "article viewed" metric - reinforcing their belief that what they're doing is working well.