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Here's a study showing vaccine effectiveness against infection in the range of >90% initially, waning to 60-80% after 4 months. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/artic

by guelo 4y ago

Here's a study showing vaccine effectiveness against infection in the range of >90% initially, waning to 60-80% after 4 months. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/5/22-0141_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/5/22-0141_article The fact that vaccines make you less likely to become infected in the first place and also they make the disease shorter means that vaccines also reduce transmission.

tlogan 4y ago
And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). Sure they will say “we never said it will stop transmission” but it was never clearly worded as that. Of course, since they wanted mandates.
- epgui 4y ago
  You've either misunderstood, not paid attention, or are misremembering what was said about vaccines. /biochemist
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    - epgui 4y ago
      > in many instances vaccinated people contracted COVID-19 at a higher rate than un-vaccinated Beware your prior, see "base rate fallacy".
- shlant 4y ago
  > And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). care to provide evidence of significant figures saying this?
briandon 4y ago
Here's a study showing that the duration of Omicron BA.1 infection (time from PCR+ to PCR-) is actually longer for vaccinated persons than for the unvaccinated. The time for PCR+ to a negative culture is actually longer for boosted subjects than for unvaccinated. "Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection" (see "Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture."): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092
- guelo 4y ago
  That is not what that (very small) study showed. It was comparing Delta vs Omicron, not vaccinated vs not. "There were no appreciable between-group differences in the time to PCR conversion or culture conversion according to vaccination status"
  - briandon 4y ago
    I chose my words with care. The figure (specifically Fig1D and Fig1E of https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/journals/content/nejm/0/nejm.ahead-of-print/nejmc2202092/20220706/images/img_xlarge/nejmc2202092_f1.jpeg https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/jour...) speaks for itself. I would rather the authors soft-pedal the alarming results and get published than not get published at all. Just as I approve of POWs appearing to collaborate by sitting for media interviews that may, on the surface, make their captors seem humane and then blinking "T-O-R-T-U-R-E" in Morse code. Ignoring the charts and clutching at that line of text still requires one to accept that vaccinated and boosted persons didn't clear covid any faster than unvaccinated persons, which completely contradicts the vaccine-pushers' dogma that the adverse effects and deaths occurring in younger demographics (especially but not solely among younger males) post-vax are worth it, on balance, because the shots reduce spread to and hence deaths among more vulnerable groups.
    - guelo 4y ago
      Ok got it. You conducted your own study that contradicts the authors by reading their minds and combining that with your unrelated conspiracy theories.

by guelo 4y ago

tlogan 4y ago

And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). Sure they will say “we never said it will stop transmission” but it was never clearly worded as that. Of course, since they wanted mandates.

epgui 4y ago
You've either misunderstood, not paid attention, or are misremembering what was said about vaccines. /biochemist
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  - epgui 4y ago
    > in many instances vaccinated people contracted COVID-19 at a higher rate than un-vaccinated Beware your prior, see "base rate fallacy".
shlant 4y ago
> And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). care to provide evidence of significant figures saying this?

briandon 4y ago

Here's a study showing that the duration of Omicron BA.1 infection (time from PCR+ to PCR-) is actually longer for vaccinated persons than for the unvaccinated. The time for PCR+ to a negative culture is actually longer for boosted subjects than for unvaccinated. "Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection" (see "Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture."): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092

guelo 4y ago
That is not what that (very small) study showed. It was comparing Delta vs Omicron, not vaccinated vs not. "There were no appreciable between-group differences in the time to PCR conversion or culture conversion according to vaccination status"
- briandon 4y ago
  I chose my words with care. The figure (specifically Fig1D and Fig1E of https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/journals/content/nejm/0/nejm.ahead-of-print/nejmc2202092/20220706/images/img_xlarge/nejmc2202092_f1.jpeg https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/jour...) speaks for itself. I would rather the authors soft-pedal the alarming results and get published than not get published at all. Just as I approve of POWs appearing to collaborate by sitting for media interviews that may, on the surface, make their captors seem humane and then blinking "T-O-R-T-U-R-E" in Morse code. Ignoring the charts and clutching at that line of text still requires one to accept that vaccinated and boosted persons didn't clear covid any faster than unvaccinated persons, which completely contradicts the vaccine-pushers' dogma that the adverse effects and deaths occurring in younger demographics (especially but not solely among younger males) post-vax are worth it, on balance, because the shots reduce spread to and hence deaths among more vulnerable groups.
  - guelo 4y ago
    Ok got it. You conducted your own study that contradicts the authors by reading their minds and combining that with your unrelated conspiracy theories.