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The main problem here is that Public health agencies are refusing to admit they are / were wrong in certain cases causing all political non sense. The second pr

by tlogan 4y ago

The main problem here is that Public health agencies are refusing to admit they are / were wrong in certain cases causing all political non sense. The second problem is that public healt official ended relying too much on mandates/enforcements and way too little on propaganda. For example, it is obvious now that vaccines do not prevent one from getting COVID and spreading COVID. Yes - vaccines definitely make having COVID like a mild fly: I got it just now and I was just a little sick for a couple of days. But they still claim that vaccines are preventing the spread. And then the approach is really bad: instead of running “viagra style” commercials on TV for vaccinations they decided to go with heavy handed mandates and requirements. I bet a couple of Steph Curry and Tom Brady commercials about vaccination will do wonder.

seizethegdgap 4y ago
My person, Donald Trump was getting booed for telling people at his rallys to get the vaccine, and you think having a superstar in the least-liked sports league amongst Republicans tell them to get shots would work better than a mandate? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-al... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/20/politics/donald-trump-booster-shot-boos/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/20/politics/donald-trump-booster... https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/515665-new-poll-says-nba-ratings-have-plunged-because-of/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture...
- tlogan 4y ago
  Yes - it will help. At least it will not hurt CDC as much as mandates. It seems strange that CDC had policy “if somebody does not want vaccine we should force them instead convince them”. So strange that many people started being suspicious. Meaning we did not have any - zero - nada - none - commericals on TV for vaccinations. And many many crypto ones.
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    > we did not have any - zero - nada - none - commericals on TV for vaccinations. That's sad your country didn't see the need to advertise. In the US we had tons of them.
guelo 4y ago
Here's a study showing vaccine effectiveness against infection in the range of >90% initially, waning to 60-80% after 4 months. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/5/22-0141_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/5/22-0141_article The fact that vaccines make you less likely to become infected in the first place and also they make the disease shorter means that vaccines also reduce transmission.
- tlogan 4y ago
  And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). Sure they will say “we never said it will stop transmission” but it was never clearly worded as that. Of course, since they wanted mandates.
  - epgui 4y ago
    You've either misunderstood, not paid attention, or are misremembering what was said about vaccines. /biochemist
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      - epgui 4y ago
        > in many instances vaccinated people contracted COVID-19 at a higher rate than un-vaccinated Beware your prior, see "base rate fallacy".
  - shlant 4y ago
    > And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). care to provide evidence of significant figures saying this?
- briandon 4y ago
  Here's a study showing that the duration of Omicron BA.1 infection (time from PCR+ to PCR-) is actually longer for vaccinated persons than for the unvaccinated. The time for PCR+ to a negative culture is actually longer for boosted subjects than for unvaccinated. "Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection" (see "Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture."): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092

by tlogan 4y ago

seizethegdgap 4y ago

My person, Donald Trump was getting booed for telling people at his rallys to get the vaccine, and you think having a superstar in the least-liked sports league amongst Republicans tell them to get shots would work better than a mandate? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-al... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/20/politics/donald-trump-booster-shot-boos/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/20/politics/donald-trump-booster... https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/515665-new-poll-says-nba-ratings-have-plunged-because-of/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture...

tlogan 4y ago
Yes - it will help. At least it will not hurt CDC as much as mandates. It seems strange that CDC had policy “if somebody does not want vaccine we should force them instead convince them”. So strange that many people started being suspicious. Meaning we did not have any - zero - nada - none - commericals on TV for vaccinations. And many many crypto ones.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  > we did not have any - zero - nada - none - commericals on TV for vaccinations. That's sad your country didn't see the need to advertise. In the US we had tons of them.

guelo 4y ago

Here's a study showing vaccine effectiveness against infection in the range of >90% initially, waning to 60-80% after 4 months. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/5/22-0141_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/5/22-0141_article The fact that vaccines make you less likely to become infected in the first place and also they make the disease shorter means that vaccines also reduce transmission.

tlogan 4y ago
And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). Sure they will say “we never said it will stop transmission” but it was never clearly worded as that. Of course, since they wanted mandates.
- epgui 4y ago
  You've either misunderstood, not paid attention, or are misremembering what was said about vaccines. /biochemist
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    - epgui 4y ago
      > in many instances vaccinated people contracted COVID-19 at a higher rate than un-vaccinated Beware your prior, see "base rate fallacy".
- shlant 4y ago
  > And they will never publicly (on TV, PBS, etc.) say that. Never - since initially they say it will STOP transmission (not reduce). care to provide evidence of significant figures saying this?
briandon 4y ago
Here's a study showing that the duration of Omicron BA.1 infection (time from PCR+ to PCR-) is actually longer for vaccinated persons than for the unvaccinated. The time for PCR+ to a negative culture is actually longer for boosted subjects than for unvaccinated. "Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection" (see "Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture."): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092