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Despite this tech companies are still requiring vaccines to come work in person, yet are wondering why no one wants to go back... Testing is way safer at this

Despite this tech companies are still requiring vaccines to come work in person, yet are wondering why no one wants to go back... Testing is way safer at this point than two doses against a strain that hasn't been dominant since late 2020. Lots of people are getting sick anyways even if they are vaccinated from other strains they aren't protected against, yet we discriminate against anyone who decided not to get the shot for religious reasons, or who can't get it for medical reasons. The world will look back on these years as collective insanity.

epgui 4y ago
> The world will look back on these years as collective insanity. I'm a biochemist, and I can assure you that scientists have been dismayed at the collective insanity since around March 2020, but we're definitely not dismayed at the same things as you are.
- cf141q5325 4y ago
  I had a sign at my university entrance asking a vaccine status or current test as a "negative proof for covid19". As in your vaccine status proofs you dont have covid19. Any scientist who isnt deeply ashamed of this should really get the money for their degree back. Pretending that vaccines are in any way safer then or as safe as actual tests is simply horrific.
  - epgui 4y ago
    The word “proof” in that context just doesn’t mean what you think it means. It’s an administrative context, not a scientific context. It’s not that hard to understand.
    - cf141q5325 4y ago
      Apparently i am a bit slow. Please do elaborate, i am really curious how your vaccine status can be used to verify that there is no indication for a covid infection.
      - epgui 4y ago
        It has nothing to do with biology. The word “proof” in this context just refers to the administrative document required to access the service or location you want to access. It’s purely an administrative construct, and it has nothing to do with “proving”, logically or scientifically speaking, that you are not infected.
        cf141q5325 4y ago
        It is quite the brain acrobatics to focus on it not being a test, duh, but a document. The point is what this document is supposed to document. And that is there being no indication, that you are infected with COVID. The term is actually well defined, especially what is supposed to be documented by it. I am German and they borrowed it straight from the government regulation. The "Negativnachweis" https://www.rv.hessenrecht.hessen.de/bshe/document/jlr-CoronaVVHE2021V2P3 https://www.rv.hessenrecht.hessen.de/bshe/document/jlr-Coron... >(1) Soweit nach dieser Verordnung der Nachweis zu führen ist, dass keine Anhaltspunkte für eine Infektion mit dem SARS-CoV-2-Virus vorliegen (Negativnachweis), kann dies erfolgen durch >(1) >If, according to this regulation, proof must be provide that there are no indications of infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus (negative proof), this can be done by... And you being vaccinated with a leaky vaccine doesnt mean there is no indication you are infected. Not in any way. This is misinformation that actually kills, because it allows COVID to spread. And its not information spread by some morons who drink bleach but by the government and quite literally taped to the doors of the figurative house of science. Because people lack the integrity to call out bullshit for what it is.
        epgui 4y ago
        This is the last time I’ll entertain you on this line of comment: the gold standard test to see if someone is infected with sars-cov-2 would involve doing sequencing of a sample from the airways and potentially also stools. A PCR test is close enough, for the sake of argument. Good luck trying to do these tests every time you want to allow someone in a building. The task is to find another requirement that is of practical value: go.
ok_dad 4y ago
> Despite this tech companies are still requiring vaccines to come work in person, yet are wondering why no one wants to go back... What?! No one wants to go back to the office because it fucking sucks to commute, not because of vaccine mandates. I would even like to see evidence that many tech companies have strict mandates or are enforcing them; worst I’ve heard is that non vaccinated staff have to test weekly at Stanford. Most companies will probably be less strict than there.

epgui 4y ago

> The world will look back on these years as collective insanity. I'm a biochemist, and I can assure you that scientists have been dismayed at the collective insanity since around March 2020, but we're definitely not dismayed at the same things as you are.

cf141q5325 4y ago
I had a sign at my university entrance asking a vaccine status or current test as a "negative proof for covid19". As in your vaccine status proofs you dont have covid19. Any scientist who isnt deeply ashamed of this should really get the money for their degree back. Pretending that vaccines are in any way safer then or as safe as actual tests is simply horrific.
- epgui 4y ago
  The word “proof” in that context just doesn’t mean what you think it means. It’s an administrative context, not a scientific context. It’s not that hard to understand.
  - cf141q5325 4y ago
    Apparently i am a bit slow. Please do elaborate, i am really curious how your vaccine status can be used to verify that there is no indication for a covid infection.
    - epgui 4y ago
      It has nothing to do with biology. The word “proof” in this context just refers to the administrative document required to access the service or location you want to access. It’s purely an administrative construct, and it has nothing to do with “proving”, logically or scientifically speaking, that you are not infected.
      - cf141q5325 4y ago
        It is quite the brain acrobatics to focus on it not being a test, duh, but a document. The point is what this document is supposed to document. And that is there being no indication, that you are infected with COVID. The term is actually well defined, especially what is supposed to be documented by it. I am German and they borrowed it straight from the government regulation. The "Negativnachweis" https://www.rv.hessenrecht.hessen.de/bshe/document/jlr-CoronaVVHE2021V2P3 https://www.rv.hessenrecht.hessen.de/bshe/document/jlr-Coron... >(1) Soweit nach dieser Verordnung der Nachweis zu führen ist, dass keine Anhaltspunkte für eine Infektion mit dem SARS-CoV-2-Virus vorliegen (Negativnachweis), kann dies erfolgen durch >(1) >If, according to this regulation, proof must be provide that there are no indications of infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus (negative proof), this can be done by... And you being vaccinated with a leaky vaccine doesnt mean there is no indication you are infected. Not in any way. This is misinformation that actually kills, because it allows COVID to spread. And its not information spread by some morons who drink bleach but by the government and quite literally taped to the doors of the figurative house of science. Because people lack the integrity to call out bullshit for what it is.
        epgui 4y ago
        This is the last time I’ll entertain you on this line of comment: the gold standard test to see if someone is infected with sars-cov-2 would involve doing sequencing of a sample from the airways and potentially also stools. A PCR test is close enough, for the sake of argument. Good luck trying to do these tests every time you want to allow someone in a building. The task is to find another requirement that is of practical value: go.

ok_dad 4y ago

> Despite this tech companies are still requiring vaccines to come work in person, yet are wondering why no one wants to go back... What?! No one wants to go back to the office because it fucking sucks to commute, not because of vaccine mandates. I would even like to see evidence that many tech companies have strict mandates or are enforcing them; worst I’ve heard is that non vaccinated staff have to test weekly at Stanford. Most companies will probably be less strict than there.