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Why would Americans lose their lives in a conflict in Ukraine?

by unmole 4y ago

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petre 4y ago
Due to the war extending out of Ukraine into NATO space. You think Putin would stop at Ukraine?
- unmole 4y ago
  I don't see any reason to believe Putin will attack a NATO member. If the combined strength of NATO isn't sufficient to deter Russia, what is even the point of the alliance? And in practical terms Russia is suffering heavy losses against Ukraine. The idea that it will be able to take on more potent powers in an open war is wishful thinking.
  - petre 4y ago
    Even if they don't attack a NATO member, just Ukraine and Moldova and integrate Belarus, they would pretty much screw up all the Black Sea region, Central Europe and the Baltics, including all bordering NATO member states. Which is a direct threat to NATO. So better expend some equipment now rather than human resources and equipment at a later stage when the conflict can't be contained anymore. It wouldn't help with healthcare, homelessness and hunger in the US either. If the conflict extends, the US would expend resources that could be used to address these issues elsewhere (military + espionage) in order to counter the Russian/Chinese threat. A Russian victory could also embolden China to launch an attack on Taiwan, which pretty much sets the stage for WW3.
- mushbino 4y ago
  45,000 Americans die every year due to lack of healthcare alone. We have the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality rate in the developed world. Our public education systems are some of the most underperforming in the developed world. The amount of money we've sent to Ukraine so far could end homelessness and hunger in the US three times over. Killing people on the other side of the world and a proxy war is not a priority for me. Solving these problems for my own countrymen is. No contest.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    > The amount of money we've sent to Ukraine so far could end homelessness and hunger in the US three times over. Homelessness and hunger are complex in the US. Direct cash payments would likely drive up prices long term and not resolve the root causes (NIMBYs, addiction, healthcare). Other solutions are being tried yet money alone won't fix many of them. Still I do agree US resources are too heavily tilted toward war hawks instead of housing, healthcare, reforms, etc.
    - more_corn 4y ago
      Paying for healthcare with a national health plan doesn’t drive up costs in other nations. In fact the Us has the highest healthcare costs and worst outcomes of any developed nation.
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    - more_corn 4y ago
      While mental health and addiction contribute to homelessness these conditions are wildly exacerbated by homelessness. Housing first has shown startling success rates. The only reason it stopped working was that cities that piloted the programs stopped funding it. Why did we stop funding it? Dunno, ideological weirdness?

Why would Americans lose their lives in a conflict in Ukraine?

by unmole 4y ago

Why would Americans lose their lives in a conflict in Ukraine?

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petre 4y ago

Due to the war extending out of Ukraine into NATO space. You think Putin would stop at Ukraine?

unmole 4y ago
I don't see any reason to believe Putin will attack a NATO member. If the combined strength of NATO isn't sufficient to deter Russia, what is even the point of the alliance? And in practical terms Russia is suffering heavy losses against Ukraine. The idea that it will be able to take on more potent powers in an open war is wishful thinking.
- petre 4y ago
  Even if they don't attack a NATO member, just Ukraine and Moldova and integrate Belarus, they would pretty much screw up all the Black Sea region, Central Europe and the Baltics, including all bordering NATO member states. Which is a direct threat to NATO. So better expend some equipment now rather than human resources and equipment at a later stage when the conflict can't be contained anymore. It wouldn't help with healthcare, homelessness and hunger in the US either. If the conflict extends, the US would expend resources that could be used to address these issues elsewhere (military + espionage) in order to counter the Russian/Chinese threat. A Russian victory could also embolden China to launch an attack on Taiwan, which pretty much sets the stage for WW3.
mushbino 4y ago
45,000 Americans die every year due to lack of healthcare alone. We have the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality rate in the developed world. Our public education systems are some of the most underperforming in the developed world. The amount of money we've sent to Ukraine so far could end homelessness and hunger in the US three times over. Killing people on the other side of the world and a proxy war is not a priority for me. Solving these problems for my own countrymen is. No contest.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  > The amount of money we've sent to Ukraine so far could end homelessness and hunger in the US three times over. Homelessness and hunger are complex in the US. Direct cash payments would likely drive up prices long term and not resolve the root causes (NIMBYs, addiction, healthcare). Other solutions are being tried yet money alone won't fix many of them. Still I do agree US resources are too heavily tilted toward war hawks instead of housing, healthcare, reforms, etc.
  - more_corn 4y ago
    Paying for healthcare with a national health plan doesn’t drive up costs in other nations. In fact the Us has the highest healthcare costs and worst outcomes of any developed nation.
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  - more_corn 4y ago
    While mental health and addiction contribute to homelessness these conditions are wildly exacerbated by homelessness. Housing first has shown startling success rates. The only reason it stopped working was that cities that piloted the programs stopped funding it. Why did we stop funding it? Dunno, ideological weirdness?