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> there HAVE been FAR too many pediatric Covid deaths Let's see your numbers of <6 years and <8 etc. > If Covid only affected kids In all age groups, it affe

> there HAVE been FAR too many pediatric Covid deaths Let's see your numbers of <6 years and <8 etc. > If Covid only affected kids In all age groups, it affected children the least. 'In total, 540,305 people were tested for SARS-COV-2 and 129,704 (24.0%) were positive. In children aged <16 years, 35,200 tests were performed and 1408 (4.0%) were positive for SARS-CoV-2, compared to 19.1%–34.9% adults.' https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/12/1180 https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/12/1180

n8henrie 4y ago
I'm not too sure about the "your" part, but it looks like the CDC says 453 for 0-4y. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-...
- imperio59 4y ago
  Died WITH COVID, not OF COVID. Let's be clear about what they are counting. More kids have died in the same period from drowning in America.
  - landemva 4y ago
    CDC says, 'Every year in the United States there are an estimated: 3,960* fatal unintentional drownings' https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html With enough amplification from drown child's noses some virus fragments might be found. But vaccines won't help with drowning or car crashes, which each kill more children.
    - strangeloops85 4y ago
      Well if there was a vaccine that reduced the risk of dying from drowning I think you’d definitely want to add it to the childhood vaccination schedule. Again, death rate is not the only metric by which we decide what to vaccinate children for.
      - briandon 4y ago
        What if the hypothetical risk-of-drowning vaccine were found to greatly heighten the young recipients', particularly young males', risk of myocarditis and pericarditis (among other potential adverse effects) and a significant percentage of those who developed myocarditis/pericarditis passed away within a few subsequent years? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...
        n8henrie 4y ago
        Based on your link it looks like < 50 / million for a 3 vaccine series? Don't forget to consider the baseline risk of myocarditis in this cohort as well as the risk of myocarditis with COVID itself. I'm also not sure where you're finding numbers about the risk of serious morbidity or mortality with COVID-vaccine-associated myocarditis, please share if you know. My impression is that -- much like COVID -- while cases can be serious / fatal, most cases end up making a full recovery without further sequelae.
        briandon 4y ago
        The myocarditis risk from covid, like most health risks from covid, is higher for the elderly and low for non-elderly people (see huge disparity in myocarditis risk found to result from a 2nd Moderna jab vs. covid infection for males under 40 in Patone et al. on MedRxiv). The mRNA and adenovirus-vector shots do not prevent infection or transmission and recent studies indicate vaccinated persons take longer to clear recent Omicron variants than those who have refused the vaccines [e.g. "Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection" (see "Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture."): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092], so younger people aren't helping anyone else by subjecting themselves to the risks of the vaccines. Young, healthy people are being bullied and guilted and tricked into playing Russian roulette, repeatedly to nobody's benefit and at their own very real peril. Having apparently suffered no significant ill effects from a first or second or third shot doesn't even indicate that subsequent shots will be similarly well-tolerated. And myocarditis and pericarditis aren't the only severe or fatal adverse effects being observed. It's madness.
  - strangeloops85 4y ago
    Nope, this isn’t true. If a kid comes to a hospital due to an accident and tests Covid positive and dies, that would not be counted. It is ultimately the judgment of the physician (as is the case for illnesses in general since a judgment is often needed to tie the proximate cause of death - say respiratory failure - to and underlying illness. https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-c...
    - briandon 4y ago
      Dr. Deborah Birx in April 2020: "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death" https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html# https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_u...! A few months ago, the CDC quietly cut the covid death toll by 72k: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/cdc-coding-error-overcount-covid-deaths https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/cdc-coding-err... People who died for any reason within weeks of a positive covid test result were being counted as covid deaths, even gunshot victim: https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/grand-county-covid-deaths/ https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/grand-county-covid-dea... The loosey-goosey way covid deaths have been counted in the USA, inflating the death toll, seems to be an area of curiously selective collective amnesia.
    - peteradio 4y ago
      From your article: > An elderly man arrived at Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital Midtown last month so stricken with advanced cancer that it could take his life within months ... Was his death caused by COVID-19? ... Yes, Auld says: “While he was very weak and frail from his underlying cancer, his death was undoubtedly accelerated and precipitated by COVID-19.
    - legalcorrection 4y ago
      I’m curious. You’ve posted something boneheaded and wrong and been proven so in the responses. Will you issue a mea culpa or will you just quietly crawl away and keep spreading falsehoods in other threads? So often, it’s the latter.
  - n8henrie 4y ago
    > Died WITH COVID, not OF COVID. Let's be clear about what they are counting. I am an emergency physician in an area extremely hard-hit by COVID. I'm fully aware of what "they" are counting, and certainly tired of these kinds of bad-faith speculations by un- and misinformed onlookers. > More kids have died in the same period from drowning in America. Absolutely -- and every one of those is also a largely preventable tragedy.

n8henrie 4y ago

I'm not too sure about the "your" part, but it looks like the CDC says 453 for 0-4y. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-...

imperio59 4y ago
Died WITH COVID, not OF COVID. Let's be clear about what they are counting. More kids have died in the same period from drowning in America.
- landemva 4y ago
  CDC says, 'Every year in the United States there are an estimated: 3,960* fatal unintentional drownings' https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html With enough amplification from drown child's noses some virus fragments might be found. But vaccines won't help with drowning or car crashes, which each kill more children.
  - strangeloops85 4y ago
    Well if there was a vaccine that reduced the risk of dying from drowning I think you’d definitely want to add it to the childhood vaccination schedule. Again, death rate is not the only metric by which we decide what to vaccinate children for.
    - briandon 4y ago
      What if the hypothetical risk-of-drowning vaccine were found to greatly heighten the young recipients', particularly young males', risk of myocarditis and pericarditis (among other potential adverse effects) and a significant percentage of those who developed myocarditis/pericarditis passed away within a few subsequent years? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...
      - n8henrie 4y ago
        Based on your link it looks like < 50 / million for a 3 vaccine series? Don't forget to consider the baseline risk of myocarditis in this cohort as well as the risk of myocarditis with COVID itself. I'm also not sure where you're finding numbers about the risk of serious morbidity or mortality with COVID-vaccine-associated myocarditis, please share if you know. My impression is that -- much like COVID -- while cases can be serious / fatal, most cases end up making a full recovery without further sequelae.
        briandon 4y ago
        The myocarditis risk from covid, like most health risks from covid, is higher for the elderly and low for non-elderly people (see huge disparity in myocarditis risk found to result from a 2nd Moderna jab vs. covid infection for males under 40 in Patone et al. on MedRxiv). The mRNA and adenovirus-vector shots do not prevent infection or transmission and recent studies indicate vaccinated persons take longer to clear recent Omicron variants than those who have refused the vaccines [e.g. "Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection" (see "Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture."): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092], so younger people aren't helping anyone else by subjecting themselves to the risks of the vaccines. Young, healthy people are being bullied and guilted and tricked into playing Russian roulette, repeatedly to nobody's benefit and at their own very real peril. Having apparently suffered no significant ill effects from a first or second or third shot doesn't even indicate that subsequent shots will be similarly well-tolerated. And myocarditis and pericarditis aren't the only severe or fatal adverse effects being observed. It's madness.
- strangeloops85 4y ago
  Nope, this isn’t true. If a kid comes to a hospital due to an accident and tests Covid positive and dies, that would not be counted. It is ultimately the judgment of the physician (as is the case for illnesses in general since a judgment is often needed to tie the proximate cause of death - say respiratory failure - to and underlying illness. https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-c...
  - briandon 4y ago
    Dr. Deborah Birx in April 2020: "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death" https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html# https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_u...! A few months ago, the CDC quietly cut the covid death toll by 72k: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/cdc-coding-error-overcount-covid-deaths https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/cdc-coding-err... People who died for any reason within weeks of a positive covid test result were being counted as covid deaths, even gunshot victim: https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/grand-county-covid-deaths/ https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/grand-county-covid-dea... The loosey-goosey way covid deaths have been counted in the USA, inflating the death toll, seems to be an area of curiously selective collective amnesia.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    From your article: > An elderly man arrived at Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital Midtown last month so stricken with advanced cancer that it could take his life within months ... Was his death caused by COVID-19? ... Yes, Auld says: “While he was very weak and frail from his underlying cancer, his death was undoubtedly accelerated and precipitated by COVID-19.
  - legalcorrection 4y ago
    I’m curious. You’ve posted something boneheaded and wrong and been proven so in the responses. Will you issue a mea culpa or will you just quietly crawl away and keep spreading falsehoods in other threads? So often, it’s the latter.
- n8henrie 4y ago
  > Died WITH COVID, not OF COVID. Let's be clear about what they are counting. I am an emergency physician in an area extremely hard-hit by COVID. I'm fully aware of what "they" are counting, and certainly tired of these kinds of bad-faith speculations by un- and misinformed onlookers. > More kids have died in the same period from drowning in America. Absolutely -- and every one of those is also a largely preventable tragedy.