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Living with Models

35 points by zdw 4y ago

dane-pgp 4y ago
Is the title a reference to the comedy web series of the same name from a few years ago? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQy1fPyHsOHhS8ODcqlGW9Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQy1fPyHsOHhS8ODcqlGW9Q
- derac 4y ago
  28 subs? Probably not
  - sfblah 4y ago
    That series is sort of amazing. A ton of effort for so few views. Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views?
    - danielEM 4y ago
      > That series is sort of amazing Well, if it is acting as a hobby and fun, then more than amazing! If it is kind of "wannabe" actor then not that great any more ;-) But with one agree completely, looks like quite an effort comparing to views.
    - dane-pgp 4y ago
      > Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views? The videos on that channel definitely seem to be reuploads. Not only are they not in chronological order, but they have an upload date of 2020, despite the original crowdfunding campaign (for season 1) promising a DVD release in 2012. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeffnewman/living-with-models https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeffnewman/living-with-...
brian_herman 4y ago
I thought this was living with supermodels not ml models sigh.
- _8j50 4y ago
  Me too, I really wanted to know what it would be like
  - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
    Probably like this: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/wisdom-supermodels-0 https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/wisdom-supermodels-0
    - _8j50 4y ago
      How refreshingly...interesting
golemotron 4y ago
Hard to know whether Bray is coining a new word, "truggle", or that is a typo of "struggle." My vote is for the new word. It would fit "struggle as a side-effect of training."
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  He's making fun of the failure of autocorrect ML models, I believe
naillo 4y ago
> And remember, the ML model is never on your side; its primary agenda is the agenda of whoever paid to have it built. AGI ads will be wild. (Hopefully it'll be so good it actually improves my productivity in society and realizes just sucking out my resources via my attention isn't as gainful longer term.)
- SkyMarshal 4y ago
  That sounds like the inverse paperclip problem. Instead of sucking up all resources in the world maximizing for paperclip production, the AGI recurses that out and realizes the end result is no more paperclip production, and chooses something else.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Inverse Paperclip Problem: - AI gets told to make paperclips - AI considers turning planet into paperclips - AI instead turns humanity into star faring race because then it can turn many planets into paperclips - AI eventually establishes galactic empire based around mining asteroids for paperclips metals
    - SkyMarshal 4y ago
      - heat death of the universe eventually occurs because all mass in the universe has been turned into inert paper clips. :D
      - zmgsabst 4y ago
        I’d suggest: - AI establishes warp network between galaxies; nano machined “smart” paperclips power AI technology - AI establishes universal empire - paperclips that can compute with subspace become the dominant life form, akin to paperclip based “grey goo” on the scale of super clusters - AI develops warp gates to “younger universes” across the inflationary fractal to acquire new resources for more paperclips I think the key aspect of the Inverse Paperclip Problem is that you need to keep inventing reasons to expand and build more paperclips.
cranky908canuck 4y ago
>> In particular, it’s completely f...ing useless on classical music. Almost every bit of music cataloguing software seems to be CFU for classical. It's built around the "album of tracks" model, without any notion of subgroupings (like a filesystem with no subdirectories), or a notion of multiple performers involved. Now that being said, cataloguing classical recordings is a pain. The least worst way seems to be by ensemble type, for most "reasonable" collections that gets you most of the way. Not to say other genres aren't, just that you often have dumb things that hinder discoverability, eg., the 'filler' piece that screws up the obvious one place to file the disc. There's a reason why librarianship is a discipline.

35 points by zdw 4y ago

Is the title a reference to the comedy web series of the same name from a few years ago? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQy1fPyHsOHhS8ODcqlGW9Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQy1fPyHsOHhS8ODcqlGW9Q

derac 4y ago
28 subs? Probably not
- sfblah 4y ago
  That series is sort of amazing. A ton of effort for so few views. Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views?
  - danielEM 4y ago
    > That series is sort of amazing Well, if it is acting as a hobby and fun, then more than amazing! If it is kind of "wannabe" actor then not that great any more ;-) But with one agree completely, looks like quite an effort comparing to views.
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    > Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views? The videos on that channel definitely seem to be reuploads. Not only are they not in chronological order, but they have an upload date of 2020, despite the original crowdfunding campaign (for season 1) promising a DVD release in 2012. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeffnewman/living-with-models https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeffnewman/living-with-...

brian_herman 4y ago

I thought this was living with supermodels not ml models sigh.

_8j50 4y ago
Me too, I really wanted to know what it would be like
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
  Probably like this: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/wisdom-supermodels-0 https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/wisdom-supermodels-0
  - _8j50 4y ago
    How refreshingly...interesting

golemotron 4y ago

Hard to know whether Bray is coining a new word, "truggle", or that is a typo of "struggle." My vote is for the new word. It would fit "struggle as a side-effect of training."

jjtheblunt 4y ago
He's making fun of the failure of autocorrect ML models, I believe

naillo 4y ago

> And remember, the ML model is never on your side; its primary agenda is the agenda of whoever paid to have it built. AGI ads will be wild. (Hopefully it'll be so good it actually improves my productivity in society and realizes just sucking out my resources via my attention isn't as gainful longer term.)

SkyMarshal 4y ago
That sounds like the inverse paperclip problem. Instead of sucking up all resources in the world maximizing for paperclip production, the AGI recurses that out and realizes the end result is no more paperclip production, and chooses something else.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Inverse Paperclip Problem: - AI gets told to make paperclips - AI considers turning planet into paperclips - AI instead turns humanity into star faring race because then it can turn many planets into paperclips - AI eventually establishes galactic empire based around mining asteroids for paperclips metals
  - SkyMarshal 4y ago
    - heat death of the universe eventually occurs because all mass in the universe has been turned into inert paper clips. :D
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      I’d suggest: - AI establishes warp network between galaxies; nano machined “smart” paperclips power AI technology - AI establishes universal empire - paperclips that can compute with subspace become the dominant life form, akin to paperclip based “grey goo” on the scale of super clusters - AI develops warp gates to “younger universes” across the inflationary fractal to acquire new resources for more paperclips I think the key aspect of the Inverse Paperclip Problem is that you need to keep inventing reasons to expand and build more paperclips.

cranky908canuck 4y ago

>> In particular, it’s completely f...ing useless on classical music. Almost every bit of music cataloguing software seems to be CFU for classical. It's built around the "album of tracks" model, without any notion of subgroupings (like a filesystem with no subdirectories), or a notion of multiple performers involved. Now that being said, cataloguing classical recordings is a pain. The least worst way seems to be by ensemble type, for most "reasonable" collections that gets you most of the way. Not to say other genres aren't, just that you often have dumb things that hinder discoverability, eg., the 'filler' piece that screws up the obvious one place to file the disc. There's a reason why librarianship is a discipline.