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Before we hire any engineer they must be licensed and bonded.

closeparen 4y ago
The iPhone must be an illegal fly-by-night operation then, since the electrical engineers hired to design it have no such requirement. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200343080/electrical-engineer?team=HRDWR https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200343080/electrical-en...
- midislack 4y ago
  They're simply not engineers if they're not licensed and bonded. Just "grads."
  - closeparen 4y ago
    Do you think the field of electrical engineering is mistaken about its own name? As far as I know it is not common practice for people working in this field to be licensed and bonded, yet I have not heard another name for it.
    - airbreather 4y ago
      Actually yes, see my post further up.
  - toast0 4y ago
    I'm not in Texas, so an engineering degree is enough to call myself an engineer[1]. I don't need to be licensed and insured to operate a locomotive. [1] although really, that's just me being credentialist: doing engineering is enough to justify calling oneself an engineer.
    - midislack 4y ago
      Coding isn’t engineering. Neither is playing with electronics even if you manage to get a product to market. In some countries you’ll go to jail for impersonating an engineer. Used to be like that in the US but of course, that changed and now quite literally everybody is an engineer if you squint now.
- airbreather 4y ago
  That job is actually for an electronics engineer, as it would be known where I live. Electrical engineering is more specifically about aspects related to electrical power and often involves lethal voltages and potential to kill both workers and members of the public due to failure of engineering (directly). Not sure of the licensing arrangements there exactly, but I do know there is statutory issues around following codes/standards as an EE in all developed contries I know of, designing electronics running at 5V, not so much. It is common for EE to work in other fields such electronics, communications, computers and so on, other way around is not common at all.

The iPhone must be an illegal fly-by-night operation then, since the electrical engineers hired to design it have no such requirement. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200343080/electrical-engineer?team=HRDWR https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200343080/electrical-en...

midislack 4y ago
They're simply not engineers if they're not licensed and bonded. Just "grads."
- closeparen 4y ago
  Do you think the field of electrical engineering is mistaken about its own name? As far as I know it is not common practice for people working in this field to be licensed and bonded, yet I have not heard another name for it.
  - airbreather 4y ago
    Actually yes, see my post further up.
- toast0 4y ago
  I'm not in Texas, so an engineering degree is enough to call myself an engineer[1]. I don't need to be licensed and insured to operate a locomotive. [1] although really, that's just me being credentialist: doing engineering is enough to justify calling oneself an engineer.
  - midislack 4y ago
    Coding isn’t engineering. Neither is playing with electronics even if you manage to get a product to market. In some countries you’ll go to jail for impersonating an engineer. Used to be like that in the US but of course, that changed and now quite literally everybody is an engineer if you squint now.
airbreather 4y ago
That job is actually for an electronics engineer, as it would be known where I live. Electrical engineering is more specifically about aspects related to electrical power and often involves lethal voltages and potential to kill both workers and members of the public due to failure of engineering (directly). Not sure of the licensing arrangements there exactly, but I do know there is statutory issues around following codes/standards as an EE in all developed contries I know of, designing electronics running at 5V, not so much. It is common for EE to work in other fields such electronics, communications, computers and so on, other way around is not common at all.