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"Nothing is stopping anyone from downloading an executable file and running it on a desktop computer." Have you ever had a job? If you're in a workplace you pro

"Nothing is stopping anyone from downloading an executable file and running it on a desktop computer." Have you ever had a job? If you're in a workplace you probably don't have admin rights to install software on your desktop unless you are a dev, and even then it's not exactly guaranteed.

svnpenn 4y ago
> If you're in a workplace you probably don't have admin rights to install software on your desktop unless you are a dev, and even then it's not exactly guaranteed. OK then, ask the admin to install it, I don't see the problem. If its appropriate work software, then it shouldn't be an issue. Web browser should be for... browsing the web. If you're simply using a browser to bypass admin restrictions, it seems like you're doing something wrong.
- ciupicri 4y ago
  Not to mention the fact the website hosting the application might be blocked by the same admin.
- antihipocrat 4y ago
  An admin won't just install it. Any software installed on a system connected to the corporate network is a security risk and would need to be vetted. This takes weeks and can often take months. If the choice is between writing the business case, getting management sign off and waiting weeks for deployment vs running it immediately in the browser, I'm choosing the browser.
  - svnpenn 4y ago
    Understood. However what you're saying is quite different from the other user, who was saying "Everything has to be in the browser now".
    - antihipocrat 4y ago
      My read on that comment was more along the lines of everything must also be available to run in the browser now because users demand it. The performance of apps run in the browser has improved so much lately that users' habits and expectations have shifted.
      - Animats 4y ago
        Right. Can we just run Docker containers in the browser and be done with it?
        antihipocrat 4y ago
        You may enjoy this: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death...
Animats 4y ago
For home computers, there's now "Windows S".[1] This is totally locked down. "To increase security and performance, Windows 11 in S mode runs only apps from Microsoft Store." It's possible, for now, to turn off Windows S mode. For now. Usually. The Windows Store server has to approve turning it off. In an enterprise configuration, some in-house server has to approve. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-and-windows-11-in-s-mode-faq-851057d6-1ee9-b9e5-c30b-93baebeebc85 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-and-w...
- svnpenn 4y ago
  > It's possible, for now, to turn off Windows S mode. For now. Usually. As much as I enjoy seeing someone trash Microsoft, this is just a dumb take. Like I said to the other user, how do you think software development happens? Microsoft wants people to develop using Windows [1][2][3]. You can only do that by installing additional software. This is not, and never will go away. Yes, some corporate setting will have locked down computers, but thats how its already been for several decades. 1. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET https://wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET 2. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language) 3. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Sharp_(programming_language) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Sharp_(programming_language)

svnpenn 4y ago

> If you're in a workplace you probably don't have admin rights to install software on your desktop unless you are a dev, and even then it's not exactly guaranteed. OK then, ask the admin to install it, I don't see the problem. If its appropriate work software, then it shouldn't be an issue. Web browser should be for... browsing the web. If you're simply using a browser to bypass admin restrictions, it seems like you're doing something wrong.

ciupicri 4y ago
Not to mention the fact the website hosting the application might be blocked by the same admin.
antihipocrat 4y ago
An admin won't just install it. Any software installed on a system connected to the corporate network is a security risk and would need to be vetted. This takes weeks and can often take months. If the choice is between writing the business case, getting management sign off and waiting weeks for deployment vs running it immediately in the browser, I'm choosing the browser.
- svnpenn 4y ago
  Understood. However what you're saying is quite different from the other user, who was saying "Everything has to be in the browser now".
  - antihipocrat 4y ago
    My read on that comment was more along the lines of everything must also be available to run in the browser now because users demand it. The performance of apps run in the browser has improved so much lately that users' habits and expectations have shifted.
    - Animats 4y ago
      Right. Can we just run Docker containers in the browser and be done with it?
      - antihipocrat 4y ago
        You may enjoy this: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death-of-javascript https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death...

Animats 4y ago

For home computers, there's now "Windows S".[1] This is totally locked down. "To increase security and performance, Windows 11 in S mode runs only apps from Microsoft Store." It's possible, for now, to turn off Windows S mode. For now. Usually. The Windows Store server has to approve turning it off. In an enterprise configuration, some in-house server has to approve. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-and-windows-11-in-s-mode-faq-851057d6-1ee9-b9e5-c30b-93baebeebc85 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-and-w...

svnpenn 4y ago
> It's possible, for now, to turn off Windows S mode. For now. Usually. As much as I enjoy seeing someone trash Microsoft, this is just a dumb take. Like I said to the other user, how do you think software development happens? Microsoft wants people to develop using Windows [1][2][3]. You can only do that by installing additional software. This is not, and never will go away. Yes, some corporate setting will have locked down computers, but thats how its already been for several decades. 1. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET https://wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET 2. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language) 3. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Sharp_(programming_language) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Sharp_(programming_language)