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If you've spent any time on YouTube, it's painfully obvious much of it is not worth archiving at all. Clearly if you had some critera to select videos that are

If you've spent any time on YouTube, it's painfully obvious much of it is not worth archiving at all. Clearly if you had some critera to select videos that are worth preserving, this task would become a lot more doable. But what could those criteria be? You can't just select out all those fast-talking "influencers" that shill and lie their way through hours worth of video just because they're shit, because sometimes those videos have thousands of people that DO like them, making them perhaps interesting to a sociologist 300 years from now. 2000-year old Roman shopping lists, personal letters and obscene graffiti are intensely interesting to historians now, but would have been worthless to their owners even a couple of days later.

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MrYellowP 4y ago
> 300 years from now That's really unlikely, given it's all just digital and electricity. Ignoring that our pseudo-global society will have collapsed long before that and ignoring that the digital era unlikely lasts that long ... ... assuming humanity actually keeps going as it is ... ... there is no way people in 300 years will be able to read any device from today. Hell, the CD-ROM is dying and that's young.
themadprogramer 4y ago
You have to, however, also consider the multi-domainness of YouTube videos. Yeah sure, there's billions of hours of clips not one person can watch in a single life-time. But unlike your 2000-year old Roman shopping lists, we have footage of events that are anchored to a particular time-period. Or location. One of the most impressive things you can do is, try searching up a landmark. My personal favorite is the [Jumping Stone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TtMN8nXTM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TtMN8nXTM) on the Nias Island of Indonesia. What would have otherwise just remained a novel tourist attraction, forgotten by the modernity of the 21st century, is now essentially a "tag" which has hours of footage associated with it. Thousands of tourists travelling back and forth, locals growing old, new people being born, buildings being built and demolished around it. You can even just study how video quality improved in that particular region. That there IS something wholly unique to this era and definitely worth preserving. YouTube as a company has figured the logistics of storing it, but the question of how humans can hope to read such data remains yet unanswered.
- the_biot 4y ago
  Like so many questions of this type, I think the Internet Archive is the answer. They are not a warehouse of stuff stored on media/formats that are forever becoming obsolete -- they store data, keyed by timestamp, sometimes with metadata. How they store it and serve it up is irrelevant, and they will upgrade as needed (I assume this is a continuous process). If the IA didn't exist, we'd have to invent it. I suspect if the IA ever decides to properly archive YouTube, they'll interface with the folks that run it directly. Archive Team is, to put it as diplomatically as I can, not a good organization.
  - themadprogramer 4y ago
    > If the IA didn't exist, we'd have to invent it. You know, a part of the original company vision for YouTube prior to the Google acquisition was really something akin to the IA, in that they did pride themselves with hosting footage of the Indian Ocean Earthquake: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Indian+Ocean+earthquake+2004 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Indian+Ocean+ea... Now, acting as diplomatically as I possibly can, I can say that your suggestions of the IA and YouTube interfacing together were at a previous point in time a continuous process. But a number of factors have made direct cooperation between the IA and Google (thereby YouTube) come to a screeching halt. At this current point in time, we stand at a historical crossroad. And I'm only here to just act as a humble messenger ;)
  - soraminazuki 4y ago
    I don't think that's a complete answer though. The article lists ContentID as the major reason videos get deleted, meaning that copyright trolls could go after IA if they want to. What we desperately need is copyright law reform.
    - bshipp 4y ago
      I'm not 100% positive, but I recall a conversation we had on TheEye a while back with some IA reps and they simply can't archive YouTube. I recall a private project to archive just the video Metadata ended up in the hundreds of Terabytes. The videos themselves must be a gargantuan collection. Most YouTube archiving thus far is pretty much done and maintained by private individuals.

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MrYellowP 4y ago

> 300 years from now That's really unlikely, given it's all just digital and electricity. Ignoring that our pseudo-global society will have collapsed long before that and ignoring that the digital era unlikely lasts that long ... ... assuming humanity actually keeps going as it is ... ... there is no way people in 300 years will be able to read any device from today. Hell, the CD-ROM is dying and that's young.

themadprogramer 4y ago

You have to, however, also consider the multi-domainness of YouTube videos. Yeah sure, there's billions of hours of clips not one person can watch in a single life-time. But unlike your 2000-year old Roman shopping lists, we have footage of events that are anchored to a particular time-period. Or location. One of the most impressive things you can do is, try searching up a landmark. My personal favorite is the [Jumping Stone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TtMN8nXTM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TtMN8nXTM) on the Nias Island of Indonesia. What would have otherwise just remained a novel tourist attraction, forgotten by the modernity of the 21st century, is now essentially a "tag" which has hours of footage associated with it. Thousands of tourists travelling back and forth, locals growing old, new people being born, buildings being built and demolished around it. You can even just study how video quality improved in that particular region. That there IS something wholly unique to this era and definitely worth preserving. YouTube as a company has figured the logistics of storing it, but the question of how humans can hope to read such data remains yet unanswered.

the_biot 4y ago
Like so many questions of this type, I think the Internet Archive is the answer. They are not a warehouse of stuff stored on media/formats that are forever becoming obsolete -- they store data, keyed by timestamp, sometimes with metadata. How they store it and serve it up is irrelevant, and they will upgrade as needed (I assume this is a continuous process). If the IA didn't exist, we'd have to invent it. I suspect if the IA ever decides to properly archive YouTube, they'll interface with the folks that run it directly. Archive Team is, to put it as diplomatically as I can, not a good organization.
- themadprogramer 4y ago
  > If the IA didn't exist, we'd have to invent it. You know, a part of the original company vision for YouTube prior to the Google acquisition was really something akin to the IA, in that they did pride themselves with hosting footage of the Indian Ocean Earthquake: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Indian+Ocean+earthquake+2004 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Indian+Ocean+ea... Now, acting as diplomatically as I possibly can, I can say that your suggestions of the IA and YouTube interfacing together were at a previous point in time a continuous process. But a number of factors have made direct cooperation between the IA and Google (thereby YouTube) come to a screeching halt. At this current point in time, we stand at a historical crossroad. And I'm only here to just act as a humble messenger ;)
- soraminazuki 4y ago
  I don't think that's a complete answer though. The article lists ContentID as the major reason videos get deleted, meaning that copyright trolls could go after IA if they want to. What we desperately need is copyright law reform.
  - bshipp 4y ago
    I'm not 100% positive, but I recall a conversation we had on TheEye a while back with some IA reps and they simply can't archive YouTube. I recall a private project to archive just the video Metadata ended up in the hundreds of Terabytes. The videos themselves must be a gargantuan collection. Most YouTube archiving thus far is pretty much done and maintained by private individuals.