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I do think the war could have been avoided too. The last decade has been the pro-Western faction taking the ball and running with it while the pro-Russian facti

I do think the war could have been avoided too. The last decade has been the pro-Western faction taking the ball and running with it while the pro-Russian faction has been marginalized and sideswept. Ukraine after the USSR has always been in a middle ground between two empires, and the balance has been broken, leading to a war to grab whatever can be grabbed. The Ukrainian nationalists are charging forward in defense while the Russian speaking Ukrainians are staying silent as the Russians invade and the Ukrainian state cracks down on what they see as a fifth column. If I were to be cynical, then I would say that the West gets refugees to use as laborers while Russia makes a profit from oil prices going up.

federoccco 4y ago
"Russian speaking Ukrainians are staying silent" Where do you get this bullshit? Russian-speaking Ukrainians are fighting Russians, half of UA armed forces are Russian-speaking. >> pro-Russian faction has been marginalized and sideswept Russia destroyed a lot of goodwill by its actions in Crimea and Donbass. People who supported Yanukovich in 2010, do not support Putin in 2022
- CrackerNews 4y ago
  I meant the pro-Russian faction, which you are correct in that they don't support Putin and are for Ukrainian sovereignty. They did form a major opposition to the current political power and so they are being suppressed accordingly along with the Russian language as part of the war effort. My post is rather about that the invasion is the final nail in the seam between the pro-West and pro-Russia interests tearing apart, when I don't think that it had to happen. Of course, Putin is responsible for that final nail. His threat of invasion has long been known in a leaked Wikileaks cable, and I think that history could have followed a different path. I think it's similar to how the balance of power shifting quickly has led to blowback like the Iraq War leading to the creation of ISIS where the former generals of Saddam were disenfranchised and resorted to violence to establish an independent state and reclaim political power.
  - muzika 4y ago
    People who were in opposition of the new Ukrainian government are now in opposition of Russia. There are very very few Russian speaking Ukrainians who are “pro-Russia” right now.

federoccco 4y ago

"Russian speaking Ukrainians are staying silent" Where do you get this bullshit? Russian-speaking Ukrainians are fighting Russians, half of UA armed forces are Russian-speaking. >> pro-Russian faction has been marginalized and sideswept Russia destroyed a lot of goodwill by its actions in Crimea and Donbass. People who supported Yanukovich in 2010, do not support Putin in 2022

CrackerNews 4y ago
I meant the pro-Russian faction, which you are correct in that they don't support Putin and are for Ukrainian sovereignty. They did form a major opposition to the current political power and so they are being suppressed accordingly along with the Russian language as part of the war effort. My post is rather about that the invasion is the final nail in the seam between the pro-West and pro-Russia interests tearing apart, when I don't think that it had to happen. Of course, Putin is responsible for that final nail. His threat of invasion has long been known in a leaked Wikileaks cable, and I think that history could have followed a different path. I think it's similar to how the balance of power shifting quickly has led to blowback like the Iraq War leading to the creation of ISIS where the former generals of Saddam were disenfranchised and resorted to violence to establish an independent state and reclaim political power.
- muzika 4y ago
  People who were in opposition of the new Ukrainian government are now in opposition of Russia. There are very very few Russian speaking Ukrainians who are “pro-Russia” right now.