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> NYC gave up on violent crime. It's Democrat's policy. Could you explain that? Crime is trending down in NYC over the last 20 years. https://www1.nyc.gov/ass

> NYC gave up on violent crime. It's Democrat's policy. Could you explain that? Crime is trending down in NYC over the last 20 years. https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_...

bufferoverflow 4y ago
Even according to this, murder and manslaughter is significantly up in the last 2 years. But you're also ignoring the fact that in other parts of the country these crime rates are 1-10% of these numbers. NYC could be much safer, if the right policies were applied.
- pixl97 4y ago
  Isn't manslaughter up all across the US in the last 2 years... attempting to use a pandemic as a stat and then say it's a trend is on the border of unethical.
- lancesells 4y ago
  No doubt it could be safer but I'm asking you to explain how NYC gave up on crime. In 20 years the crime rate looks like it went down maybe ~45%? I believe the south has the highest per capita murder rate which is mostly Republican led. It's states with lower education and higher poverty that have high murder rates. I think blaming Democrats or Republicans is misguided. We're a country pretty evenly split and there's no place that's a panacea.
  - UnpossibleJim 4y ago
    For some reason no one wants to blame a lack of education, poverty or a lack of opportunity on crime (per your above statement). Everyone wants to get into these weird, esoteric arguments about what might have cause the crime rates that aren't germane to the actual, easily identifiable problems... most likely so no one has to try and solve those issues.
- hellomyguys 4y ago
  Violent crime is up in many places. In fact it has increased more in Rural America more than it has in NYC. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/10/blame-rural-crime-wave/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/10/blame-rur...
- selfportrait 4y ago
  Crime is up after the lull that was the COVID lockdowns. Less crimes occurred when everyone was at home and the economy was essentially halted. Great argument.
- octernion 4y ago
  curious what you think the "right policies" are; the vast majority of high crime areas are republican controlled, so it can't be that.
matheweis 4y ago
Garbage in, garbage out. People use these sorts of stats in Seattle to pretend that crime hasn’t gotten worse in the last few years. The reality on the ground is much different, most people just don’t bother reporting crime, because it’s not worth the effort and the police probably won’t come anyway.
- lancesells 4y ago
  In what year did the stats become garbage then? If they were always garbage then crime has gone down. Do the stats become worse each year while crime goes up?
  - bufferoverflow 4y ago
    When the DAs in Democrat-run cities stopped charging criminals. I think there's a case in Seattle where one guy assaulted 23 people, one at a time, and they just let him go over and over again. No charges.
    - lancesells 4y ago
      So the current Seattle district attorney is a current Republican and an ex-Democrat. So crime should get better then? Is she materially better at her job after switching parties a year ago? Do you see how weird the logic is to blame Democrats for all that goes wrong? I know this sounds insulting but you seem like seem to have bought into a narrative of them versus us. There are ills on all sides, we are all humans who are mostly trying to make it through. Yes, there are people that are terrible at their jobs and cause harm. Yes, they are in both parties. If there was a third party they would be there too. Sure, vote and support people that align with your values but life is not a binary thing.
      - pandaman 4y ago
        The current Seattle district attorney had been just 6 months at her job. Do you think it's reasonable to revert the effect of the previous 12 years in such a time frame?

bufferoverflow 4y ago

Even according to this, murder and manslaughter is significantly up in the last 2 years. But you're also ignoring the fact that in other parts of the country these crime rates are 1-10% of these numbers. NYC could be much safer, if the right policies were applied.

pixl97 4y ago
Isn't manslaughter up all across the US in the last 2 years... attempting to use a pandemic as a stat and then say it's a trend is on the border of unethical.
lancesells 4y ago
No doubt it could be safer but I'm asking you to explain how NYC gave up on crime. In 20 years the crime rate looks like it went down maybe ~45%? I believe the south has the highest per capita murder rate which is mostly Republican led. It's states with lower education and higher poverty that have high murder rates. I think blaming Democrats or Republicans is misguided. We're a country pretty evenly split and there's no place that's a panacea.
- UnpossibleJim 4y ago
  For some reason no one wants to blame a lack of education, poverty or a lack of opportunity on crime (per your above statement). Everyone wants to get into these weird, esoteric arguments about what might have cause the crime rates that aren't germane to the actual, easily identifiable problems... most likely so no one has to try and solve those issues.
hellomyguys 4y ago
Violent crime is up in many places. In fact it has increased more in Rural America more than it has in NYC. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/10/blame-rural-crime-wave/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/10/blame-rur...
selfportrait 4y ago
Crime is up after the lull that was the COVID lockdowns. Less crimes occurred when everyone was at home and the economy was essentially halted. Great argument.
octernion 4y ago
curious what you think the "right policies" are; the vast majority of high crime areas are republican controlled, so it can't be that.

matheweis 4y ago

Garbage in, garbage out. People use these sorts of stats in Seattle to pretend that crime hasn’t gotten worse in the last few years. The reality on the ground is much different, most people just don’t bother reporting crime, because it’s not worth the effort and the police probably won’t come anyway.

lancesells 4y ago
In what year did the stats become garbage then? If they were always garbage then crime has gone down. Do the stats become worse each year while crime goes up?
- bufferoverflow 4y ago
  When the DAs in Democrat-run cities stopped charging criminals. I think there's a case in Seattle where one guy assaulted 23 people, one at a time, and they just let him go over and over again. No charges.
  - lancesells 4y ago
    So the current Seattle district attorney is a current Republican and an ex-Democrat. So crime should get better then? Is she materially better at her job after switching parties a year ago? Do you see how weird the logic is to blame Democrats for all that goes wrong? I know this sounds insulting but you seem like seem to have bought into a narrative of them versus us. There are ills on all sides, we are all humans who are mostly trying to make it through. Yes, there are people that are terrible at their jobs and cause harm. Yes, they are in both parties. If there was a third party they would be there too. Sure, vote and support people that align with your values but life is not a binary thing.
    - pandaman 4y ago
      The current Seattle district attorney had been just 6 months at her job. Do you think it's reasonable to revert the effect of the previous 12 years in such a time frame?