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52% of YouTube videos live in 2010 have been deleted

109 points by oidar 4y ago

AinderS 4y ago
Youtube also does its best to prevent you from downloading videos, to leave no record of the past.
- remlov 4y ago
  If you’re comfortable in the terminal the following works great for archiving: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
  - moonshinefe 4y ago
    I had issues with youtube severely capping my download speeds using youtube-dl, but had success with https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
    - remlov 4y ago
      Doh. This is what I initially wanted to link to in the comment. yt-dlp definitely is the better fork, and they seem to address YouTube breaking changes faster than youtube-dl.
- BonoboIO 4y ago
  Don’t give them ideas :D They will start selling the past to us. YouTube Archive Plus.
barrysteve 4y ago
It's probably time to start saving the videos you like if you haven't already. I still remember when Key and Peele's whole catalog (or a lot of it) was available on youtube back in 2015-2016. For a brief window of time. Some of my favourite songs with 10s of millions of views have been taken down. Many niche videos don't get reuploaded. No guarentees that youtube will keep your unique or exclusive videos publicly available. Every video is fair game for deletion at any moment.
- FrenchDevRemote 4y ago
  >I still remember when Key and Peele's whole catalog (or a lot of it) was available on youtube back in 2015-2016. For a brief window of time. Is there a lot of stuff missing on Comedy Central? I've discovered them on Youtube(I'm european), it seems like there is a tooon of content from them, is it just a small part of what they did?
  - andrew991116 4y ago
    Their show also included standup comedy/overarching plots in between the skits that are not available on YouTube
- yunohn 4y ago
  > No guarentees that youtube will keep your unique or exclusive videos publicly available. Every video is fair game for deletion at any moment. TFA is about reuploads and other kinds of user content, that was not kosher in the first place. These may be deleted by YouTube. Your examples are about IP and content ownership changing leading to video being removed by the channels themselves. That’s a different problem, not solvable by YT.
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  And as the platform ages creators will start to pass away, what then?
  - kevincox 4y ago
    Presumably an inactive account wouldn't be removed by default. (Unless you have manually configured this)
    - alexvoda 4y ago
      It will still get DMCA claims and since it's inactive there won't be anyone to counterclaim. Defacto it will lead to the removal of content. Bitrot by DMCA.
whoomp12342 4y ago
aka 52% of youtube from the era where it was fun have been deleted. badger badger badger badger mushROOM MUSSHROOOMM!!
- CrazedGeek 4y ago
  That specific video actually predated YouTube itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badgers_(animation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badgers_(animation) And it’s still up on YouTube: https://youtu.be/EIyixC9NsLI https://youtu.be/EIyixC9NsLI
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- zucked 4y ago
  That started as a flash animation, right? So. many. wasted. hours. watching flash animations. It's amazing how quickly flash disappeared after the dominos were set in motion.
  - themadprogramer 4y ago
    I guess you can say that it FADED LIKE A FLASH :}
    - whoomp12342 4y ago
      RIP
  - whoomp12342 4y ago
    if you can get your hands on the swf you can still run flash locally. Adobe even provides the launcher.
wongarsu 4y ago
Twitter used to provide all Tweets to the Library of Congress for archival, until the library decided it wasn't worth the effort to continue adding that much data. I'm not sure who would be in a position to archive YouTube for the future. Does the Internet Archive make snapshots?
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Natively, not to my knowledge. Tooling is available though. https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup
- themadprogramer 4y ago
  There was something of a brokered agreement between Archive Team/Twitter to upload a fraction of Tweets to the IA. That too, unfortunately, ceased some time last year. Either way you might want to take a look at https://archive.org/details/twitterstream https://archive.org/details/twitterstream
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toomuchtodo 4y ago
Would love to crowdsource an effort to buy enough disk space to backup YouTube to the Internet Archive and have ArchiveTeam perform the archival op. Assuming ~35PB of content stored at YT, should cost roughly $70M for IA to buy the necessary storage infra and maintain it into the future (their costs are ~$2/GB for perpetual storage).
- virtuallynathan 4y ago
  As of 2013, I calculated the YouTube catalog is ~375PB. It's probably closer to 1EB now, if not 2-5x that much. http://www.autonomoussystem.net/2013/07/youtube-slowness.html http://www.autonomoussystem.net/2013/07/youtube-slowness.htm...
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    Sad trombone.
  - sterlind 4y ago
    would tape be cheaper? it'd be a lot more annoying to use, but at least you'd have a backup, even if you have to queue a request to access.
    - booi 4y ago
      Tape (~$6/TB) is cheaper than archival storage (~$14/TB) but I'm not sure it's worth the cost of having another "offline" system that needs robots or humans in order to access for rebuilds, maintenance, verification etc. I'm surprised by how magnetic storage continues to decline in price as densities continue to increase. I wonder where the end actually is.
      - crmd 4y ago
        You might be surprised to see the scale of LTO tape consumption by FAANG companies.
NetBeck 4y ago
YouTube is deleting pre-2010 videos, meanwhile anything is still possible at https://www.zombo.com https://www.zombo.com
- MrYellowP 4y ago
  I've clicked that. There's a circle, with circles around, with something around one of these smaller circles. All of it is spinning. I've managed to click the spinny thingy and it turned into quadratic spinny thingy. That's all. What the fuck? Please explain!
  - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
    Exactly. (You're not missing anything.)
    - MrYellowP 4y ago
      Thanks!
  - saurik 4y ago
    Did you forget to turn sound on?
  - themadprogramer 4y ago
    You knew what you were signing up for. Your imagination is the only limit at zombo.com
  - jjulius 4y ago
    How old are you? It's possible that you may be outside of the generation that would've appreciated it during it's peak.
    - MrYellowP 4y ago
      I'm over 40. Never heard of it. It happens, I'm not really following anything or keeping up with internet "culture". Haven't for decades.
sithadmin 4y ago
An excellent self-hosted tool for data hoarders that want to preserve YouTube content: https://github.com/tubearchivist/tubearchivist https://github.com/tubearchivist/tubearchivist
ProllyInfamous 4y ago
I am a former technical YouTube explainer, active 2007-2010. Two videos had 1m+ views, and dozens of other low-production / highly-technical DIY guides. Google implemented several changes to their ad / revenue - sharing products, so I decided to remove my digital contributions from YouTube (flatteringly, another YTer re-posted my most-popular video). A few years later, they lost custody of my DIY Technical Manual Website URL (some ICANN snafu), so I left their platform entirely. The entirety of Google's properties now reside on my DNS blacklists.
Pakdef 4y ago
"Everything posted online is there forever" is one of the biggest lie. I use yt-dlp quite a bit for that reason...
tpoacher 4y ago
Which is why consumers should start encouraging creators not to be putting all their eggs in one basket and to start embracing alternatives

109 points by oidar 4y ago

AinderS 4y ago

Youtube also does its best to prevent you from downloading videos, to leave no record of the past.

remlov 4y ago
If you’re comfortable in the terminal the following works great for archiving: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
- moonshinefe 4y ago
  I had issues with youtube severely capping my download speeds using youtube-dl, but had success with https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
  - remlov 4y ago
    Doh. This is what I initially wanted to link to in the comment. yt-dlp definitely is the better fork, and they seem to address YouTube breaking changes faster than youtube-dl.
BonoboIO 4y ago
Don’t give them ideas :D They will start selling the past to us. YouTube Archive Plus.

barrysteve 4y ago

It's probably time to start saving the videos you like if you haven't already. I still remember when Key and Peele's whole catalog (or a lot of it) was available on youtube back in 2015-2016. For a brief window of time. Some of my favourite songs with 10s of millions of views have been taken down. Many niche videos don't get reuploaded. No guarentees that youtube will keep your unique or exclusive videos publicly available. Every video is fair game for deletion at any moment.

FrenchDevRemote 4y ago
>I still remember when Key and Peele's whole catalog (or a lot of it) was available on youtube back in 2015-2016. For a brief window of time. Is there a lot of stuff missing on Comedy Central? I've discovered them on Youtube(I'm european), it seems like there is a tooon of content from them, is it just a small part of what they did?
- andrew991116 4y ago
  Their show also included standup comedy/overarching plots in between the skits that are not available on YouTube
yunohn 4y ago
> No guarentees that youtube will keep your unique or exclusive videos publicly available. Every video is fair game for deletion at any moment. TFA is about reuploads and other kinds of user content, that was not kosher in the first place. These may be deleted by YouTube. Your examples are about IP and content ownership changing leading to video being removed by the channels themselves. That’s a different problem, not solvable by YT.
iancmceachern 4y ago
And as the platform ages creators will start to pass away, what then?
- kevincox 4y ago
  Presumably an inactive account wouldn't be removed by default. (Unless you have manually configured this)
  - alexvoda 4y ago
    It will still get DMCA claims and since it's inactive there won't be anyone to counterclaim. Defacto it will lead to the removal of content. Bitrot by DMCA.

whoomp12342 4y ago

aka 52% of youtube from the era where it was fun have been deleted. badger badger badger badger mushROOM MUSSHROOOMM!!

CrazedGeek 4y ago
That specific video actually predated YouTube itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badgers_(animation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badgers_(animation) And it’s still up on YouTube: https://youtu.be/EIyixC9NsLI https://youtu.be/EIyixC9NsLI
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
zucked 4y ago
That started as a flash animation, right? So. many. wasted. hours. watching flash animations. It's amazing how quickly flash disappeared after the dominos were set in motion.
- themadprogramer 4y ago
  I guess you can say that it FADED LIKE A FLASH :}
  - whoomp12342 4y ago
    RIP
- whoomp12342 4y ago
  if you can get your hands on the swf you can still run flash locally. Adobe even provides the launcher.

wongarsu 4y ago

Twitter used to provide all Tweets to the Library of Congress for archival, until the library decided it wasn't worth the effort to continue adding that much data. I'm not sure who would be in a position to archive YouTube for the future. Does the Internet Archive make snapshots?

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Natively, not to my knowledge. Tooling is available though. https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup
themadprogramer 4y ago
There was something of a brokered agreement between Archive Team/Twitter to upload a fraction of Tweets to the IA. That too, unfortunately, ceased some time last year. Either way you might want to take a look at https://archive.org/details/twitterstream https://archive.org/details/twitterstream

deleted 4y ago

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toomuchtodo 4y ago

Would love to crowdsource an effort to buy enough disk space to backup YouTube to the Internet Archive and have ArchiveTeam perform the archival op. Assuming ~35PB of content stored at YT, should cost roughly $70M for IA to buy the necessary storage infra and maintain it into the future (their costs are ~$2/GB for perpetual storage).

virtuallynathan 4y ago
As of 2013, I calculated the YouTube catalog is ~375PB. It's probably closer to 1EB now, if not 2-5x that much. http://www.autonomoussystem.net/2013/07/youtube-slowness.html http://www.autonomoussystem.net/2013/07/youtube-slowness.htm...
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Sad trombone.
- sterlind 4y ago
  would tape be cheaper? it'd be a lot more annoying to use, but at least you'd have a backup, even if you have to queue a request to access.
  - booi 4y ago
    Tape (~$6/TB) is cheaper than archival storage (~$14/TB) but I'm not sure it's worth the cost of having another "offline" system that needs robots or humans in order to access for rebuilds, maintenance, verification etc. I'm surprised by how magnetic storage continues to decline in price as densities continue to increase. I wonder where the end actually is.
    - crmd 4y ago
      You might be surprised to see the scale of LTO tape consumption by FAANG companies.

NetBeck 4y ago

YouTube is deleting pre-2010 videos, meanwhile anything is still possible at https://www.zombo.com https://www.zombo.com

MrYellowP 4y ago
I've clicked that. There's a circle, with circles around, with something around one of these smaller circles. All of it is spinning. I've managed to click the spinny thingy and it turned into quadratic spinny thingy. That's all. What the fuck? Please explain!
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  Exactly. (You're not missing anything.)
  - MrYellowP 4y ago
    Thanks!
- saurik 4y ago
  Did you forget to turn sound on?
- themadprogramer 4y ago
  You knew what you were signing up for. Your imagination is the only limit at zombo.com
- jjulius 4y ago
  How old are you? It's possible that you may be outside of the generation that would've appreciated it during it's peak.
  - MrYellowP 4y ago
    I'm over 40. Never heard of it. It happens, I'm not really following anything or keeping up with internet "culture". Haven't for decades.

sithadmin 4y ago

An excellent self-hosted tool for data hoarders that want to preserve YouTube content: https://github.com/tubearchivist/tubearchivist https://github.com/tubearchivist/tubearchivist

ProllyInfamous 4y ago

I am a former technical YouTube explainer, active 2007-2010. Two videos had 1m+ views, and dozens of other low-production / highly-technical DIY guides. Google implemented several changes to their ad / revenue - sharing products, so I decided to remove my digital contributions from YouTube (flatteringly, another YTer re-posted my most-popular video). A few years later, they lost custody of my DIY Technical Manual Website URL (some ICANN snafu), so I left their platform entirely. The entirety of Google's properties now reside on my DNS blacklists.

Pakdef 4y ago

"Everything posted online is there forever" is one of the biggest lie. I use yt-dlp quite a bit for that reason...

tpoacher 4y ago

Which is why consumers should start encouraging creators not to be putting all their eggs in one basket and to start embracing alternatives