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Counterpoint: Minecraft did essentially zero marketing and is monetized only in the sense that you need an account to log in (which is easily bypassed for singl

Counterpoint: Minecraft did essentially zero marketing and is monetized only in the sense that you need an account to log in (which is easily bypassed for single player) and it was/is the biggest and most valuable game of all time.

hklgny 4y ago
For sure - you can often find anecdata that works out well. But I think being conscious about that decision up front as a developer is still a good idea. If you choose to go the Minecraft route then great. Just know what you're getting into and what bets you're making.
coffee_beqn 4y ago
That’s hardly a solid business plan though. We’ll be the next Minecraft because of magic! What about the 1000s of games released every week that fail to get more than a thousand downloads?
- cmeacham98 4y ago
  Is there some correlation between predatory mechanics and game popularity I don't know about? I'm not sure that games that follow the Unity CEO's advice have a better chance of breaking that barrier.
  - hklgny 4y ago
    Because if you read the article his advice wasn't to engage in predatory mechanics - and that's why this conversation is so inflammatory for folks. It's a bad title. Here's the quote: “It used to be the case that developers would throw their game over the wall to the publicist and sales force with literally no interaction beforehand. That model is baked into the philosophy of a lot of artforms and medium, and it’s one I am deeply respectful of; I know their dedication and care.” “But this industry divides people between those who still hold to that philosophy and those who massively embrace how to figure out what makes a successful product. And I don’t know a successful artist anywhere that doesn’t care about what their player thinks. This is where this cycle of feedback comes back, and they can choose to ignore it. But to choose to not know it at all is not a great call.”
- Arcanum-XIII 4y ago
  Lot of them fail to get traction also because they're bad. A small part because they're unlucky, too niche or other reason. Still, with so many game out every day, it's also hard to keep track of everything. I should engage with my family (children and wife), do sport, work, learn to improve and be more efficient, see my friends, keep a healthy diet and sleep 10h every night... That's without speaking of the need to publish to be seen and heard. So no, I won't engage with all the small games. No one will.
Xeamek 4y ago
>"Most valuable game of all time" Is it though? Yes, it did sell the most copies of any game ever, but how are you justifying to call it "the most valuable"?
- decremental 4y ago
  Its cultural impact is undeniable and is generally positive. It depends on how you define valuable. It's pretty subjective when describing a video game.
- bastawhiz 4y ago
  By valuation and number of copies, it sold for more than any game. It defined an entire genre. It's culturally relevant a decade on. There's almost no metric that you can't define it as the most valuable.
bonestamp2 4y ago
Fortnite is also a free to play game, that requires no purchases to be equally competitive to paid players, and it is one of the most profitable games too. Players can pay for skins, celebration dances, theme music, etc. That said, this is not the only way to make a living as a game developer and I'm happy to pay up front for a game that provides the full richness of the experience to all players.
- kmeisthax 4y ago
  Fortnite does require purchases if you want to be equally competitive in the dress-up meta, however. Certain player groups (usually children) use "default" as a slur. In fact, dressing up your character is arguably more important to the Fortnite experience than the actual shooty-bang-bang part of the game. And it's in line with Epic's "metaverse" aspirations too.
decremental 4y ago
Only thing that I'd add to this is that the Bedrock Edition has a store on which you can buy skins, texture packs, total conversions, maps, etc. Microsoft is definitely pushing for monetization outside of unit sales.
jerf 4y ago
"Minecraft did essentially zero marketing and is monetized only in the sense that you need an account to log in" No, Minecraft has been monetized for a while: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/catalog https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/catalog That said, I've found it on the inoffensive side. It's got a plug on the title screen but my kids zip past it easily enough. Most of what you can buy involves a reasonable amount of work, they're not selling slight retexturings for $25. They've given away enough free stuff (of substance!) that I don't even feel bad that the free stuff is to remind you the market exists. No lootboxes.
- sometimesjerks 4y ago
  Minecraft also supports 3rd party content, skins, gameplay mechanics, etc. There's a lot of things mods can do that official marketplace content can't.
- bastawhiz 4y ago
  Minecraft was sold for $2B before it had any of that.

hklgny 4y ago

For sure - you can often find anecdata that works out well. But I think being conscious about that decision up front as a developer is still a good idea. If you choose to go the Minecraft route then great. Just know what you're getting into and what bets you're making.

coffee_beqn 4y ago

That’s hardly a solid business plan though. We’ll be the next Minecraft because of magic! What about the 1000s of games released every week that fail to get more than a thousand downloads?

cmeacham98 4y ago
Is there some correlation between predatory mechanics and game popularity I don't know about? I'm not sure that games that follow the Unity CEO's advice have a better chance of breaking that barrier.
- hklgny 4y ago
  Because if you read the article his advice wasn't to engage in predatory mechanics - and that's why this conversation is so inflammatory for folks. It's a bad title. Here's the quote: “It used to be the case that developers would throw their game over the wall to the publicist and sales force with literally no interaction beforehand. That model is baked into the philosophy of a lot of artforms and medium, and it’s one I am deeply respectful of; I know their dedication and care.” “But this industry divides people between those who still hold to that philosophy and those who massively embrace how to figure out what makes a successful product. And I don’t know a successful artist anywhere that doesn’t care about what their player thinks. This is where this cycle of feedback comes back, and they can choose to ignore it. But to choose to not know it at all is not a great call.”
Arcanum-XIII 4y ago
Lot of them fail to get traction also because they're bad. A small part because they're unlucky, too niche or other reason. Still, with so many game out every day, it's also hard to keep track of everything. I should engage with my family (children and wife), do sport, work, learn to improve and be more efficient, see my friends, keep a healthy diet and sleep 10h every night... That's without speaking of the need to publish to be seen and heard. So no, I won't engage with all the small games. No one will.

Xeamek 4y ago

>"Most valuable game of all time" Is it though? Yes, it did sell the most copies of any game ever, but how are you justifying to call it "the most valuable"?

decremental 4y ago
Its cultural impact is undeniable and is generally positive. It depends on how you define valuable. It's pretty subjective when describing a video game.
bastawhiz 4y ago
By valuation and number of copies, it sold for more than any game. It defined an entire genre. It's culturally relevant a decade on. There's almost no metric that you can't define it as the most valuable.

bonestamp2 4y ago

Fortnite is also a free to play game, that requires no purchases to be equally competitive to paid players, and it is one of the most profitable games too. Players can pay for skins, celebration dances, theme music, etc. That said, this is not the only way to make a living as a game developer and I'm happy to pay up front for a game that provides the full richness of the experience to all players.

kmeisthax 4y ago
Fortnite does require purchases if you want to be equally competitive in the dress-up meta, however. Certain player groups (usually children) use "default" as a slur. In fact, dressing up your character is arguably more important to the Fortnite experience than the actual shooty-bang-bang part of the game. And it's in line with Epic's "metaverse" aspirations too.

decremental 4y ago

Only thing that I'd add to this is that the Bedrock Edition has a store on which you can buy skins, texture packs, total conversions, maps, etc. Microsoft is definitely pushing for monetization outside of unit sales.

jerf 4y ago

"Minecraft did essentially zero marketing and is monetized only in the sense that you need an account to log in" No, Minecraft has been monetized for a while: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/catalog https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/catalog That said, I've found it on the inoffensive side. It's got a plug on the title screen but my kids zip past it easily enough. Most of what you can buy involves a reasonable amount of work, they're not selling slight retexturings for $25. They've given away enough free stuff (of substance!) that I don't even feel bad that the free stuff is to remind you the market exists. No lootboxes.

sometimesjerks 4y ago
Minecraft also supports 3rd party content, skins, gameplay mechanics, etc. There's a lot of things mods can do that official marketplace content can't.
bastawhiz 4y ago
Minecraft was sold for $2B before it had any of that.