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The city is safer?

sieabahlpark 4y ago
paulgb 4y ago
Despite the popular Murdoch-media narrative that big cities have become hellholes, yes. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new...
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  That Bloomberg article is a really interesting experiment in cherry-picking data: it focused specifically on deaths, and only on deaths due to specific causes that helped its case. Yes, New York has fewer homicides and car crash deaths than rural towns, but if you look at most other data, which is arguably more relevant, the opposite story shows up. I'm not that worried about being murdered. Murders tend to happen between people with a relationship. There are very few random murders. In cities, gangs do the murdering, and outside of cities, it is generally crimes of passion. The NYPD is very, very aggressive about going after gangs and murders. This is at the cost of controlling other types of crime. The car crashes are easy to explain: NYC is designed so that you drive very slowly, and there is a 25 mph speed limit everywhere a pedestrian might be. Crashes in NYC are almost always non-fatal. It's not that they don't happen. They are just non-fatal. Personally, I am worried about being mugged or harassed, and that is extremely common in NYC compared to most places. It also happens to be something that happens between unrelated people. That is why I moved out of NYC after having been attacked once and witnessing 2 thefts in 4 years, and that is why the statistics cited in that op-ed are completely useless.
- bogomipz 4y ago
  It's amusing that you bring up a mogul's "media narrative" and then cite a link from Bloomberg News. Michael Bloomberg is of course also a billionaire with his own empire and media company. This piece you are citing is from the Opinion section of Bloomberg News. Bloomberg itself being a company whose headquarters are in NYC and whose founder is Mike Bloomberg a NYC resident himself as well as being a 3 term mayor of NYC. The author of this opinion piece, Justin Fox is also a NYC resident. It's worth noting too that Bloomberg LP company famously does not allow remote work and owns the Bloomberg Tower, a 55 story commercial and residential skyscraper that takes up an entire city block in Midtown. Lastly Bloomberg himself is a polarizing figure since during his long tenure as Mayor he was widely seen as being in bed with big real estate development. His tenure as mayor was notable for the hyper development of luxury real estate. The types of "glass boxes" that are dark most of the year. For more background see: https://therealdeal.com/2019/11/26/love-hate-and-real-estate-bloombergs-record-may-polarize-voters/ https://therealdeal.com/2019/11/26/love-hate-and-real-estate...
showerst 4y ago
NYC is relatively safer than other large cities. particularly Manhattan. https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/new-york-city/crime https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/new-york-city/... Overall NYC is much safer than the national average, especially compared to small towns which people often assume are the safest. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-city-is-a-lot-safer-than-small-town-america/2022/06/07/d5a87e3c-e651-11ec-a422-11bbb91db30b_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-city-is-a-l...
- rory 4y ago
  For people wondering the drivers here: car crashes, drug overdoses, suicides. So the claim isn't really referring about the things people usually consider when it comes to "safety" (interpersonal attacks), although it's talking about things that we perhaps *should* think about more when it comes to safety. If I'm being honest with myself, muggings in DC still scare me more than car crashes in Montana, despite the reality of these stats.
  - showerst 4y ago
    I’m on my phone right now so hard to check, but I don’t think DC actually is safer than most places. Crime here is comparatively high, and many people still drive.
    - rory 4y ago
      It's not listed as a particularly safe or unsafe place by the measure of the Bloomberg article. When I lived in DC I was several times narrowly missed by people blowing red lights, robbed, and once had to wake a driver up at a red light because they and a passenger had both passed out while driving at 11am. It definitely didn't feel like a particularly safe place.

The city is safer?

Despite the popular Murdoch-media narrative that big cities have become hellholes, yes. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new...

pclmulqdq 4y ago
That Bloomberg article is a really interesting experiment in cherry-picking data: it focused specifically on deaths, and only on deaths due to specific causes that helped its case. Yes, New York has fewer homicides and car crash deaths than rural towns, but if you look at most other data, which is arguably more relevant, the opposite story shows up. I'm not that worried about being murdered. Murders tend to happen between people with a relationship. There are very few random murders. In cities, gangs do the murdering, and outside of cities, it is generally crimes of passion. The NYPD is very, very aggressive about going after gangs and murders. This is at the cost of controlling other types of crime. The car crashes are easy to explain: NYC is designed so that you drive very slowly, and there is a 25 mph speed limit everywhere a pedestrian might be. Crashes in NYC are almost always non-fatal. It's not that they don't happen. They are just non-fatal. Personally, I am worried about being mugged or harassed, and that is extremely common in NYC compared to most places. It also happens to be something that happens between unrelated people. That is why I moved out of NYC after having been attacked once and witnessing 2 thefts in 4 years, and that is why the statistics cited in that op-ed are completely useless.
bogomipz 4y ago
It's amusing that you bring up a mogul's "media narrative" and then cite a link from Bloomberg News. Michael Bloomberg is of course also a billionaire with his own empire and media company. This piece you are citing is from the Opinion section of Bloomberg News. Bloomberg itself being a company whose headquarters are in NYC and whose founder is Mike Bloomberg a NYC resident himself as well as being a 3 term mayor of NYC. The author of this opinion piece, Justin Fox is also a NYC resident. It's worth noting too that Bloomberg LP company famously does not allow remote work and owns the Bloomberg Tower, a 55 story commercial and residential skyscraper that takes up an entire city block in Midtown. Lastly Bloomberg himself is a polarizing figure since during his long tenure as Mayor he was widely seen as being in bed with big real estate development. His tenure as mayor was notable for the hyper development of luxury real estate. The types of "glass boxes" that are dark most of the year. For more background see: https://therealdeal.com/2019/11/26/love-hate-and-real-estate-bloombergs-record-may-polarize-voters/ https://therealdeal.com/2019/11/26/love-hate-and-real-estate...

showerst 4y ago

NYC is relatively safer than other large cities. particularly Manhattan. https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/new-york-city/crime https://realestate.usnews.com/places/new-york/new-york-city/... Overall NYC is much safer than the national average, especially compared to small towns which people often assume are the safest. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-city-is-a-lot-safer-than-small-town-america/2022/06/07/d5a87e3c-e651-11ec-a422-11bbb91db30b_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-city-is-a-l...

rory 4y ago
For people wondering the drivers here: car crashes, drug overdoses, suicides. So the claim isn't really referring about the things people usually consider when it comes to "safety" (interpersonal attacks), although it's talking about things that we perhaps *should* think about more when it comes to safety. If I'm being honest with myself, muggings in DC still scare me more than car crashes in Montana, despite the reality of these stats.
- showerst 4y ago
  I’m on my phone right now so hard to check, but I don’t think DC actually is safer than most places. Crime here is comparatively high, and many people still drive.
  - rory 4y ago
    It's not listed as a particularly safe or unsafe place by the measure of the Bloomberg article. When I lived in DC I was several times narrowly missed by people blowing red lights, robbed, and once had to wake a driver up at a red light because they and a passenger had both passed out while driving at 11am. It definitely didn't feel like a particularly safe place.