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>Many attempts at public housing failed because they just tried to provide housing for low-income people in separated and/or undesirable areas, with a predictab

>Many attempts at public housing failed because they just tried to provide housing for low-income people in separated and/or undesirable areas, with a predictable outcome. So the taxpayers should pay so the people with low income or no income can live iny Manhattan? Why not also provide them with expensive cars and exotic vacations?

giraffe_lady 4y ago
> So the taxpayers should pay so the people with low income or no income can live iny Manhattan? Yes. It's a city not a luxury resort. If people are to work all kinds of jobs at all levels of income there, then people at all income levels should be able to live there as well. This mechanism accounts for that. > Why not also provide them with expensive cars and exotic vacations? Maybe they should idk. Seems completely unrelated though and no one is arguing for that here so I don't know why you want to or why I should.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  > If people are to work all kinds of jobs at all levels of income there, then people at all income levels should be able to live there as well. Why should taxpayers subsidize employers unwilling to pay a living wage?
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Yes I agree we should force employers to pay living wages. They're definitely closely related issues but I don't know that you can completely solve for one in terms of the other though.
- pb7 4y ago
  Manhattan isn’t a city, it’s the most expensive borough of a city. They don’t need to live there.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    I know what manhattan is and I'm against it becoming a luxury development for only the rich, while the people who work to service them are bused in from far suburbs at tremendous personal cost.
- msla 4y ago
  So who should get to live there, ultimately? There's plenty of land in general, but land in Manhattan is sharply limited, so how do we decide who gets in, if it isn't going to be based on ability to pay?
greenie_beans 4y ago
so the low-income workers should be required to commute into manhattan so they can take care of wealthy people?
- kortilla 4y ago
  They don’t need to go into Manhattan at all.
  - arolihas 4y ago
    So then who does the low-income work in Manhattan?
egypturnash 4y ago
Welcome to Galt’s Gulch, where only millionaires can afford to live! Every minimum-wage is being filled by someone who’s constantly exhausted from their four-hour commute from Poortown.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

> So the taxpayers should pay so the people with low income or no income can live iny Manhattan? Yes. It's a city not a luxury resort. If people are to work all kinds of jobs at all levels of income there, then people at all income levels should be able to live there as well. This mechanism accounts for that. > Why not also provide them with expensive cars and exotic vacations? Maybe they should idk. Seems completely unrelated though and no one is arguing for that here so I don't know why you want to or why I should.

teakettle42 4y ago
> If people are to work all kinds of jobs at all levels of income there, then people at all income levels should be able to live there as well. Why should taxpayers subsidize employers unwilling to pay a living wage?
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Yes I agree we should force employers to pay living wages. They're definitely closely related issues but I don't know that you can completely solve for one in terms of the other though.
pb7 4y ago
Manhattan isn’t a city, it’s the most expensive borough of a city. They don’t need to live there.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  I know what manhattan is and I'm against it becoming a luxury development for only the rich, while the people who work to service them are bused in from far suburbs at tremendous personal cost.
msla 4y ago
So who should get to live there, ultimately? There's plenty of land in general, but land in Manhattan is sharply limited, so how do we decide who gets in, if it isn't going to be based on ability to pay?

greenie_beans 4y ago

so the low-income workers should be required to commute into manhattan so they can take care of wealthy people?

kortilla 4y ago
They don’t need to go into Manhattan at all.
- arolihas 4y ago
  So then who does the low-income work in Manhattan?

egypturnash 4y ago

Welcome to Galt’s Gulch, where only millionaires can afford to live! Every minimum-wage is being filled by someone who’s constantly exhausted from their four-hour commute from Poortown.