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There is an elephant in the room that people refuse to look at when it comes to rents: Airbnb.

afavour 4y ago
NYC has technically outlawed Airbnb rentals of less than 30 days already. They just need a lot better enforcement of that law.
- wil421 4y ago
  Yet I can still find rooms for this weekend in Manhattan ranging from sub $100 to about $250 a night.
  - afavour 4y ago
    > they just need a lot better enforcement of that law. Perhaps also worth asking why Airbnb continues to host listings it knows are in violation of the law.
    - cpascal 4y ago
      Seems pretty easy to enforce. Fine Airbnb for each listing in violation of the law.
    - wollsmoth 4y ago
      they need to start implementing and enforcing extremely high fines on illegal listings and then actually go out and try to enforce it. That's the only way it ends imo.
    - throwaway889900 4y ago
      Very simply, the income they generate from violating the law is more than the fines they will receive if those violations are brought up.
- michaelchisari 4y ago
  | They just need a lot better enforcement If only there was a website where you could search a geographic area and get the address of every airbnb there...
  - twoheadedboy 4y ago
    1. Rent an airbnb for a period of time. 2. Tenant reaches out to host and asks to stay longer (or vice versa) 3. They agree to a deal outside airbnb that works better for both of them. - no rules have to be followed
    - pphysch 4y ago
      4. Tenant refuses to pay "rent", exercises squatter's rights
soared 4y ago
Id love to see a breakout of Airbnb rentals by number of bedrooms. 1 and 2 bedroom airbnbs are seemingly never economical anymore compared to hotels, at least in the places I visit.
golergka 4y ago
Should people who come to the city for a couple of weeks not be able to find any accommodation? Why do you think that they should have less rights that people that live in the city full-time? They already have obvious market forces working against them (short-term rents are always more expensive than long-term).
- dont__panic 4y ago
  Yes? People who live in the city have families, friends, jobs, and other community structures that they contribute toward. It's where they LIVE. People who "come to the city for a couple of weeks" are at best visiting for work or family -- in which case, they can get work to subsidize the housing, or stay with the family they're visiting -- and are at worst tourists who are only visiting the city to have fun. People's lives should be prioritized over fun affordability. Or work saving a buck when employees visit HQ in person. Or even the affordability of someone choosing to visit family. The people who live in the city are the people who work there, bleed there, eat there, love there, etc. etc. etc. They are the city. The people who visit are just passing through. Livers should not subsidize visitors.
  - secludedrelish 4y ago
    > The people who live in the city are the people who work there, bleed there, eat there, love there, etc. etc. etc. They are the city. Vote there. Obviously, laws will (and should) side with voters.
  - AlwaysRock 4y ago
    Ah. Yeah, fuck the 50 billion dollars a year NYC makes from tourism every year!
- Entinel 4y ago
  You act like hotels, inns, and short term stay apartment hotels will suddenly disappear if Airbnb is cracked down on but to answer your question yes, people who live in the city should be prioritized over people who want to come over for a quick stay.
- 4y ago
thehappypm 4y ago
I’d love for someone to do an analysis where they look at the number of AirBnB’s in a city, and model out what would happen to the rents in that city if those units were put back into the rental market. Would be absolutely fascinating if there was a tight correlation
harryh 4y ago
When considering this topic, it's worth noting that NYC recently made the construction of all new hotels illegal.

NYC has technically outlawed Airbnb rentals of less than 30 days already. They just need a lot better enforcement of that law.

wil421 4y ago
Yet I can still find rooms for this weekend in Manhattan ranging from sub $100 to about $250 a night.
- afavour 4y ago
  > they just need a lot better enforcement of that law. Perhaps also worth asking why Airbnb continues to host listings it knows are in violation of the law.
  - cpascal 4y ago
    Seems pretty easy to enforce. Fine Airbnb for each listing in violation of the law.
  - wollsmoth 4y ago
    they need to start implementing and enforcing extremely high fines on illegal listings and then actually go out and try to enforce it. That's the only way it ends imo.
  - throwaway889900 4y ago
    Very simply, the income they generate from violating the law is more than the fines they will receive if those violations are brought up.
michaelchisari 4y ago
| They just need a lot better enforcement If only there was a website where you could search a geographic area and get the address of every airbnb there...
- twoheadedboy 4y ago
  1. Rent an airbnb for a period of time. 2. Tenant reaches out to host and asks to stay longer (or vice versa) 3. They agree to a deal outside airbnb that works better for both of them. - no rules have to be followed
  - pphysch 4y ago
    4. Tenant refuses to pay "rent", exercises squatter's rights

soared 4y ago

Id love to see a breakout of Airbnb rentals by number of bedrooms. 1 and 2 bedroom airbnbs are seemingly never economical anymore compared to hotels, at least in the places I visit.

golergka 4y ago

Should people who come to the city for a couple of weeks not be able to find any accommodation? Why do you think that they should have less rights that people that live in the city full-time? They already have obvious market forces working against them (short-term rents are always more expensive than long-term).

dont__panic 4y ago
Yes? People who live in the city have families, friends, jobs, and other community structures that they contribute toward. It's where they LIVE. People who "come to the city for a couple of weeks" are at best visiting for work or family -- in which case, they can get work to subsidize the housing, or stay with the family they're visiting -- and are at worst tourists who are only visiting the city to have fun. People's lives should be prioritized over fun affordability. Or work saving a buck when employees visit HQ in person. Or even the affordability of someone choosing to visit family. The people who live in the city are the people who work there, bleed there, eat there, love there, etc. etc. etc. They are the city. The people who visit are just passing through. Livers should not subsidize visitors.
- secludedrelish 4y ago
  > The people who live in the city are the people who work there, bleed there, eat there, love there, etc. etc. etc. They are the city. Vote there. Obviously, laws will (and should) side with voters.
- AlwaysRock 4y ago
  Ah. Yeah, fuck the 50 billion dollars a year NYC makes from tourism every year!
Entinel 4y ago
You act like hotels, inns, and short term stay apartment hotels will suddenly disappear if Airbnb is cracked down on but to answer your question yes, people who live in the city should be prioritized over people who want to come over for a quick stay.
4y ago

thehappypm 4y ago

I’d love for someone to do an analysis where they look at the number of AirBnB’s in a city, and model out what would happen to the rents in that city if those units were put back into the rental market. Would be absolutely fascinating if there was a tight correlation

harryh 4y ago

When considering this topic, it's worth noting that NYC recently made the construction of all new hotels illegal.