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Yes, all has revisionism just like every judge is not fully objective. But I'm afraid most people use this "discovery" as an excuse to use History as a tool/we

Yes, all has revisionism just like every judge is not fully objective. But I'm afraid most people use this "discovery" as an excuse to use History as a tool/weapon to achieve whatever their objectives are.

throwaway894345 4y ago
Reminds me of how certain folks inside and outside of the media argued that media bias is impossible to completely eradicate thus the media should go all-in on its biases. According to them, the pursuits of objectivity and neutrality hold no value unless they can be perfected.
- djbebs 4y ago
  I think you got it the other way around. Objectivity holds such value that falsely pretending to be objective causes far more harm than being clear, honest and uncompromising with one's biases. It's not that it's "not worth trying" it's that the "trying" causes far more harm than "not bothering to try"
  - macrolocal 4y ago
    In the sense that every model is implicitly a bias. But it's intellectually problematic to not actively seek out (and report on) incongruous facts.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    > Objectivity holds such value that falsely pretending to be objective causes far more harm than being clear, honest and uncompromising with one's biases. I agree that there is harm done when a news source fails to be objective, but again, objectivity isn't a binary which invalidates the implication that a media which is not 100% objective is as bad or worse than one which is 0% objective. I would also be less bothered if we had a diversely biased media landscape, such that various biases "cancel each other out", but instead we have (more or less) a monoculture among mainstream media. Moreover, what the "the media should be biased" people have delivered is not a media which is "honest about its biases", the new activist media still pretends to be as objective as the older ethical media had ever done, but without actually making nearly the effort. This is strictly less honest. I'm firmly of the opinion that activism in our epistemological institutions is what is driving partisanship and extremism which in turn makes our government increasingly dysfunctional.

throwaway894345 4y ago

Reminds me of how certain folks inside and outside of the media argued that media bias is impossible to completely eradicate thus the media should go all-in on its biases. According to them, the pursuits of objectivity and neutrality hold no value unless they can be perfected.

djbebs 4y ago
I think you got it the other way around. Objectivity holds such value that falsely pretending to be objective causes far more harm than being clear, honest and uncompromising with one's biases. It's not that it's "not worth trying" it's that the "trying" causes far more harm than "not bothering to try"
- macrolocal 4y ago
  In the sense that every model is implicitly a bias. But it's intellectually problematic to not actively seek out (and report on) incongruous facts.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  > Objectivity holds such value that falsely pretending to be objective causes far more harm than being clear, honest and uncompromising with one's biases. I agree that there is harm done when a news source fails to be objective, but again, objectivity isn't a binary which invalidates the implication that a media which is not 100% objective is as bad or worse than one which is 0% objective. I would also be less bothered if we had a diversely biased media landscape, such that various biases "cancel each other out", but instead we have (more or less) a monoculture among mainstream media. Moreover, what the "the media should be biased" people have delivered is not a media which is "honest about its biases", the new activist media still pretends to be as objective as the older ethical media had ever done, but without actually making nearly the effort. This is strictly less honest. I'm firmly of the opinion that activism in our epistemological institutions is what is driving partisanship and extremism which in turn makes our government increasingly dysfunctional.