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The Curse of the Hasselblad XPan

52 points by mindracer 4y ago

brudgers 4y ago
If you think you might want an XPan, spend eighty bucks on a Lomography Sprocket Rocket and see if 24x72 is really a way you want to make photographs. You see, the thing about the sprocket rocket is it comes with an insert to mask the sprocket holes...well and the other thing is you won't worry about dropping it because it is both cheap and rugged enough to survive three feet onto concrete and lacking electronics falling into the stream adding foreground interest to your volcanic Iceland panorama. Plus it weighs nothing. I ain't saying it is as good an Xpan, but if sharpness is the most interesting part of your pictures, it will be the cure. And with all the money you'll save you can book a nice trip to Iceland.
- aeturnum 4y ago
  I was lucky enough to buy my Xpan years ago, but I just want to put in a brief argument to not think of cameras lenses attached to interchangeable dark boxes. Especially now, a lot of the "value" of an expensive camera is the ability to select an interface that will best allow you to work. The Xpan, aside from having some neat lenses, is also one of the most advanced film cameras ever made. It will adjust from pano to traditional mid-roll, it will detect the film iso, it will wind the film for you. Sharpness is, imo, the least of it. All that said, getting lomo cameras to try out a format is a very good idea and one I heartily recommend.
  - cesaref 4y ago
    Agreed. Another cool feature is that the film is shot backwards - it unwinds the film, then shoots the film in reverse, winding it into the canister. This way, worst case, you loose one exposed frame if the back opens. It's this sort of clever thinking that sets this up as a great camera. And I also picked one up years ago when they were relatively cheap!
  - asdff 4y ago
    Aside from the pano to traditional adjustment of course, everything else, the winding and the detecting ISO is pretty par for the course for late era film cameras. My olympus point and shoot does all that and more, it also has autofocus and autoexposure (spot and area) and multiple flash settings. Canon also had some very interesting film cameras, they had the eye control AF in them and it didn't come back to the digital lines until recently afaik.
    - acomjean 4y ago
      I had a bunch of film cameras that would auto set the iso and auto advance the film. How it did this is 35 mm film had the iso and length encoded on the canister as “dx” coding. There were a bunch of sensors in the camera that measured if one of the squares conducted or didn’t. It’s kinda a neat solution and worked well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DX_encoding https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DX_encoding And a typical reader. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Canon_eos30_dx_code_reader.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Canon_eo...
      - asdff 4y ago
        For some cameras that didn't allow custom iso adjustments (e.g if you were going to push or pull the film) you could scratch off or put tape over the dx code to make the camera think it was getting a different iso film and adjust autoexposure accordingly.
- CobaltFire 4y ago
  I generally try to use my own cameras to mimic a format to see if I like it, but this one does present enough of a challenge that a cheaper one to try it first might be in order. Slightly off topic, but as much as I love panorama shots I personally prefer shooting square, even for landscape. I have my Canon set to mask square for that view, though I do save the whole RAW.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  Or you can just buy a mid-range digital mirrorless or DSLR camera with a sufficiently wide FOV lens and then crop the photo. Most decent cameras offer an in-camera aspect ratio crop, or various grids, if you want to have the composition assistance. A current sony mirrorless camera will blow the XPan out of the water in every possible sense unless you're shooting VERY high quality, VERY low ISO film, and the exposure time required for working with such a low ISO film means you probably lose whatever resolution advantage you might have gained. Keep in mind this page was written over ten years ago: https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/film.vs.digital.summary1/ https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/film.vs.digital.summary1... Note that a Canon 40D, an APS-C camera that came out in 2007, had the image quality of medium format film, with greater dynamic range. On the full-frame front, a Canon 1Ds hit theoretical maximum signal to noise ratio at 100 ISO, and at ISO 800 still had better S/N ratio than ISO 50 film: https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.signal.to.noise/index.html https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.signal.to.noise/... Film is dead. It has worse resolution, dynamic range, sensitivity, and perhaps most importantly: workflow. Film is so dead, in fact, that in cinematography, people shoot in digital and then apply postprocessing to make it look like film. Just as one can make a pristine recording sound like vinyl, one can make a digital camera look like film, because in both cases, digital is vastly technically superior. I'm betting quite a few "I shoot 35mm film" snobs walked out of the theater after seeing Knives Out thinking to themselves "film's not dead, it's still better." They wouldn't be alone; Steve Yedlin screened shots done on film and then digital, post-processed to look like film, and industry pros couldn't tell the difference: https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/6/21125680/film-vs-digital-debate-movies-cinematography https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/6/21125680/film-vs-digital-de...
  - asdff 4y ago
    People like film because its a different process. You don't have to futz about lightroom to get the tones you want. You can get great shots with a camera you got at a thrift store. The battery lasts for what, months? The high cost per shot makes you shoot more for quality vs quantity. When I bring my digital camera someplace, there is a tendency for me to take 400 shots and then have a chore later going through that in lightroom. When I bring a film camera I take only a few dozen if that, and don't fret or do any post processing because I just accept how it develops and scans at my local lab. Post processing takes time, even if you have an automatic import workflow that takes time to establish and set up and chances are you are tweaking it all the time anyhow depending on lighting conditions. Anecdotally the film lab in my city has been very busy with mostly younger people. Every time I go to drop off film I am waiting in line. People still shoot film and still buy polaroids even, despite this age of everyone having a phone that looks like a spider with the amount of lenses on the back.
cesaref 4y ago
Another XPan owner here. Yes, it's a great camera, and the lenses are lovely, and the aspect ratio is really great, with plenty of interesting uses. I rarely use the 'normal' 3x2 mode you can select, but there is a certain joy of realising that if you switch to it, it shuffles the film back by counting sprocket holes so that you don't lose any space on the film. The sprocket reading mechanism uses IR if I remember correctly, so you can't use IR film in the XPan without getting leaks from this mechanism. Also, labs used to automatically mess up cutting negative into strips for this due to the unusual framing, so you are best to home develop or use a pro lab that understand this sort of thing. If you like the look, but can't or don't want to afford an XPan, the other option that I can think of is to get a Mamiya 7 with their 35mm adapter plate, giving the same aspect ratio. I've not tried it, because instead, I just shoot 120 film in a Mamiya 7 and crop if this is the aspect ratio I want. I also get shift for free doing this... The other option i've tried, which is mind blowingly awesome is a Fuji 617, which is the XPan aspect ratio on 120 film. The problem is that you need an 8*10 enlarger to print these, and obviously the cost per shot is higher, but the quality is beyond what you can imagine.
- CobaltFire 4y ago
  I've wanted a Fuji 617 for years. I don't need one by any means; I just WANT one. Amazing camera that did it's own thing.
  - fmajid 4y ago
    I had both the X-Pan II and the Fuji G617, sold them 3 years ago when I disposed of almost all my film cameras. Amazing cameras, the X-Pan notably makes a Leica feel insubstantial. It's surprising there isn't a digital equivalent yet other than the incredibly expensive (and discontinued) Seitz Digital 6x17. I suppose you could rig something like a trio of Ricoh GRIII or GRIIIx mounted on a rail with three overlapping fields of view, with a single electronic control so they are triggered at the same time, and then stitched later.
- spython 4y ago
  Mamiya 7 is great but got really expensive in the last years, not much cheaper than XPan.
lifeformed 4y ago
Why do websites insist on customizing their scrolling speeds? I'm used to my defaults so I get motion sickness browsing this website. It literally adds nothing positive to the experience - it doesn't look or feel nicer in any way, instead it feels worse and uses more processing power.
MarkMarine 4y ago
I couldn’t find my preferred film in 35mm before a recent trip to Europe, so I brought my hasselblad 500cm with an 80mm lens. I found so many instances where I wished I had this camera, but I reserved myself to shooting 6x6 and cropping to 4x5 ratio. I probably would fall into the trap of buying this camera for landscapes, taking a few photos with it that were amazing, not using it enough and selling it, then regretting that as well.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  I always need to remind myself not to have this lens too wide open otherwise I can get the focus - it looks more or less fine on the screen, then when I develop the film it is on the nose instead of the eyes. Also I hate it that I can't come closer than 90 cm to the subject. My Mamiya RB is so much better in this respect, but completely unpractical for traveling.
  - MarkMarine 4y ago
    My typical travel camera is a Leica with a DR summicron 50mm from the early 60s, but the film shortage messed up my plans. I get nailed by the super shallow depth of field on the hasselblad all the time, if you’re at 2.8 or 4 it’s so much more shallow than 2 on the 35mm. So I just take any low light photos with my iPhone and don’t waste the film, I’ve missed too many times. The downside to travelling with 120 is now I have 18 rolls of film to dev and scan, instead of 6 rolls.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Gave my Mamiya RB to my daughter. We travelled with it — in a van one summer (driving up the California and Oregon coast). Fun times. I prefer the smaller TLR's like the Yashica these days.
haywirez 4y ago
What an incredible article, conveying the excitement and passion for a niche subject so well and clearly even for the uninitiated. It's so rare these days. Much to learn about writing here too.
spython 4y ago
I find the camera to be perfect for environmental portraits. Not just because of the image quality or even the unique framing, but also because the camera itself looks so basic in comparison to over-designed professional-looking DSLRs. It feels much less threatening to your surroundings. Had a lot of fun with it as a travel camera: https://rybakov.com/blog/guinea_babka/ https://rybakov.com/blog/guinea_babka/ P.S. I own two XPans and would be willing to sell one. Hit me up if you are in Germany/EU and are interested.
babo 4y ago
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JKCalhoun 4y ago
Cagey about what he paid for Hasselblad. (I don't know why people are that way.) Looks like on eBay they're going for about $6K. Yeah, that's steep. I maybe paid $500 for one of my nicer TLR cameras....
- quercusa 4y ago
  I had a YashicaMat, which was a cheap TLR, but Plus-X through that was gorgeous.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Yeah, got a Yaschica Mat 124G. It's a great film camera.
- kweks 4y ago
  If you're in the market, I can suggest the Fuji TX-2 - which is exactly the same camera. They're both expensive, but you pay more for the Hasselblad logo.
ulnarkressty 4y ago
The pictures it produces have a very 'filmic' quality to them, as we are accustomed to the anamorphic format of motion pictures. Always wanted one after seeing Kai's pictures on this DigitalRev video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38plXCYCvKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38plXCYCvKQ Seeing how it has such a cult following and how much the prices have shot up on eBay, it boggles the mind that they won't make another version. There are a number of DIY projects on various websites that use medium format lenses with integrated shutters, however they usually end up quite expensive as well.
- kweks 4y ago
  It really is an incredible piece of kit. I'd picked mine up (the Fuji TX-2 version) on a trip to Hong Kong for 2kUSD at the time. Dragged it literally around the world, but stopped using it because it was starting to show the wear, and I was scared of ruining it. I've shot a lot of digital and film since then, but nothing has ever come close to capturing the sheer beauty that drops out of this camera. Shooting on slide film and then diving in with a loupe abd a lightbox is like reliving the moment. If anyone is interested, this is my first roll of film from the camera (on the legendary Fuji Velvia 50 no less) http://travel.ninjito.com/2006-09-22 http://travel.ninjito.com/2006-09-22

52 points by mindracer 4y ago

If you think you might want an XPan, spend eighty bucks on a Lomography Sprocket Rocket and see if 24x72 is really a way you want to make photographs. You see, the thing about the sprocket rocket is it comes with an insert to mask the sprocket holes...well and the other thing is you won't worry about dropping it because it is both cheap and rugged enough to survive three feet onto concrete and lacking electronics falling into the stream adding foreground interest to your volcanic Iceland panorama. Plus it weighs nothing. I ain't saying it is as good an Xpan, but if sharpness is the most interesting part of your pictures, it will be the cure. And with all the money you'll save you can book a nice trip to Iceland.

aeturnum 4y ago
I was lucky enough to buy my Xpan years ago, but I just want to put in a brief argument to not think of cameras lenses attached to interchangeable dark boxes. Especially now, a lot of the "value" of an expensive camera is the ability to select an interface that will best allow you to work. The Xpan, aside from having some neat lenses, is also one of the most advanced film cameras ever made. It will adjust from pano to traditional mid-roll, it will detect the film iso, it will wind the film for you. Sharpness is, imo, the least of it. All that said, getting lomo cameras to try out a format is a very good idea and one I heartily recommend.
- cesaref 4y ago
  Agreed. Another cool feature is that the film is shot backwards - it unwinds the film, then shoots the film in reverse, winding it into the canister. This way, worst case, you loose one exposed frame if the back opens. It's this sort of clever thinking that sets this up as a great camera. And I also picked one up years ago when they were relatively cheap!
- asdff 4y ago
  Aside from the pano to traditional adjustment of course, everything else, the winding and the detecting ISO is pretty par for the course for late era film cameras. My olympus point and shoot does all that and more, it also has autofocus and autoexposure (spot and area) and multiple flash settings. Canon also had some very interesting film cameras, they had the eye control AF in them and it didn't come back to the digital lines until recently afaik.
  - acomjean 4y ago
    I had a bunch of film cameras that would auto set the iso and auto advance the film. How it did this is 35 mm film had the iso and length encoded on the canister as “dx” coding. There were a bunch of sensors in the camera that measured if one of the squares conducted or didn’t. It’s kinda a neat solution and worked well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DX_encoding https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DX_encoding And a typical reader. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Canon_eos30_dx_code_reader.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Canon_eo...
    - asdff 4y ago
      For some cameras that didn't allow custom iso adjustments (e.g if you were going to push or pull the film) you could scratch off or put tape over the dx code to make the camera think it was getting a different iso film and adjust autoexposure accordingly.
CobaltFire 4y ago
I generally try to use my own cameras to mimic a format to see if I like it, but this one does present enough of a challenge that a cheaper one to try it first might be in order. Slightly off topic, but as much as I love panorama shots I personally prefer shooting square, even for landscape. I have my Canon set to mask square for that view, though I do save the whole RAW.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
Or you can just buy a mid-range digital mirrorless or DSLR camera with a sufficiently wide FOV lens and then crop the photo. Most decent cameras offer an in-camera aspect ratio crop, or various grids, if you want to have the composition assistance. A current sony mirrorless camera will blow the XPan out of the water in every possible sense unless you're shooting VERY high quality, VERY low ISO film, and the exposure time required for working with such a low ISO film means you probably lose whatever resolution advantage you might have gained. Keep in mind this page was written over ten years ago: https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/film.vs.digital.summary1/ https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/film.vs.digital.summary1... Note that a Canon 40D, an APS-C camera that came out in 2007, had the image quality of medium format film, with greater dynamic range. On the full-frame front, a Canon 1Ds hit theoretical maximum signal to noise ratio at 100 ISO, and at ISO 800 still had better S/N ratio than ISO 50 film: https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.signal.to.noise/index.html https://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.signal.to.noise/... Film is dead. It has worse resolution, dynamic range, sensitivity, and perhaps most importantly: workflow. Film is so dead, in fact, that in cinematography, people shoot in digital and then apply postprocessing to make it look like film. Just as one can make a pristine recording sound like vinyl, one can make a digital camera look like film, because in both cases, digital is vastly technically superior. I'm betting quite a few "I shoot 35mm film" snobs walked out of the theater after seeing Knives Out thinking to themselves "film's not dead, it's still better." They wouldn't be alone; Steve Yedlin screened shots done on film and then digital, post-processed to look like film, and industry pros couldn't tell the difference: https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/6/21125680/film-vs-digital-debate-movies-cinematography https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/6/21125680/film-vs-digital-de...
- asdff 4y ago
  People like film because its a different process. You don't have to futz about lightroom to get the tones you want. You can get great shots with a camera you got at a thrift store. The battery lasts for what, months? The high cost per shot makes you shoot more for quality vs quantity. When I bring my digital camera someplace, there is a tendency for me to take 400 shots and then have a chore later going through that in lightroom. When I bring a film camera I take only a few dozen if that, and don't fret or do any post processing because I just accept how it develops and scans at my local lab. Post processing takes time, even if you have an automatic import workflow that takes time to establish and set up and chances are you are tweaking it all the time anyhow depending on lighting conditions. Anecdotally the film lab in my city has been very busy with mostly younger people. Every time I go to drop off film I am waiting in line. People still shoot film and still buy polaroids even, despite this age of everyone having a phone that looks like a spider with the amount of lenses on the back.

cesaref 4y ago

Another XPan owner here. Yes, it's a great camera, and the lenses are lovely, and the aspect ratio is really great, with plenty of interesting uses. I rarely use the 'normal' 3x2 mode you can select, but there is a certain joy of realising that if you switch to it, it shuffles the film back by counting sprocket holes so that you don't lose any space on the film. The sprocket reading mechanism uses IR if I remember correctly, so you can't use IR film in the XPan without getting leaks from this mechanism. Also, labs used to automatically mess up cutting negative into strips for this due to the unusual framing, so you are best to home develop or use a pro lab that understand this sort of thing. If you like the look, but can't or don't want to afford an XPan, the other option that I can think of is to get a Mamiya 7 with their 35mm adapter plate, giving the same aspect ratio. I've not tried it, because instead, I just shoot 120 film in a Mamiya 7 and crop if this is the aspect ratio I want. I also get shift for free doing this... The other option i've tried, which is mind blowingly awesome is a Fuji 617, which is the XPan aspect ratio on 120 film. The problem is that you need an 8*10 enlarger to print these, and obviously the cost per shot is higher, but the quality is beyond what you can imagine.

CobaltFire 4y ago
I've wanted a Fuji 617 for years. I don't need one by any means; I just WANT one. Amazing camera that did it's own thing.
- fmajid 4y ago
  I had both the X-Pan II and the Fuji G617, sold them 3 years ago when I disposed of almost all my film cameras. Amazing cameras, the X-Pan notably makes a Leica feel insubstantial. It's surprising there isn't a digital equivalent yet other than the incredibly expensive (and discontinued) Seitz Digital 6x17. I suppose you could rig something like a trio of Ricoh GRIII or GRIIIx mounted on a rail with three overlapping fields of view, with a single electronic control so they are triggered at the same time, and then stitched later.
spython 4y ago
Mamiya 7 is great but got really expensive in the last years, not much cheaper than XPan.

lifeformed 4y ago

Why do websites insist on customizing their scrolling speeds? I'm used to my defaults so I get motion sickness browsing this website. It literally adds nothing positive to the experience - it doesn't look or feel nicer in any way, instead it feels worse and uses more processing power.

MarkMarine 4y ago

I couldn’t find my preferred film in 35mm before a recent trip to Europe, so I brought my hasselblad 500cm with an 80mm lens. I found so many instances where I wished I had this camera, but I reserved myself to shooting 6x6 and cropping to 4x5 ratio. I probably would fall into the trap of buying this camera for landscapes, taking a few photos with it that were amazing, not using it enough and selling it, then regretting that as well.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
I always need to remind myself not to have this lens too wide open otherwise I can get the focus - it looks more or less fine on the screen, then when I develop the film it is on the nose instead of the eyes. Also I hate it that I can't come closer than 90 cm to the subject. My Mamiya RB is so much better in this respect, but completely unpractical for traveling.
- MarkMarine 4y ago
  My typical travel camera is a Leica with a DR summicron 50mm from the early 60s, but the film shortage messed up my plans. I get nailed by the super shallow depth of field on the hasselblad all the time, if you’re at 2.8 or 4 it’s so much more shallow than 2 on the 35mm. So I just take any low light photos with my iPhone and don’t waste the film, I’ve missed too many times. The downside to travelling with 120 is now I have 18 rolls of film to dev and scan, instead of 6 rolls.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Gave my Mamiya RB to my daughter. We travelled with it — in a van one summer (driving up the California and Oregon coast). Fun times. I prefer the smaller TLR's like the Yashica these days.

haywirez 4y ago

What an incredible article, conveying the excitement and passion for a niche subject so well and clearly even for the uninitiated. It's so rare these days. Much to learn about writing here too.

spython 4y ago

I find the camera to be perfect for environmental portraits. Not just because of the image quality or even the unique framing, but also because the camera itself looks so basic in comparison to over-designed professional-looking DSLRs. It feels much less threatening to your surroundings. Had a lot of fun with it as a travel camera: https://rybakov.com/blog/guinea_babka/ https://rybakov.com/blog/guinea_babka/ P.S. I own two XPans and would be willing to sell one. Hit me up if you are in Germany/EU and are interested.

babo 4y ago

Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20220716173006/https://casualphotophile.com/2022/07/08/hasselblad-xpan-review/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220716173006/https://casualpho...

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JKCalhoun 4y ago

Cagey about what he paid for Hasselblad. (I don't know why people are that way.) Looks like on eBay they're going for about $6K. Yeah, that's steep. I maybe paid $500 for one of my nicer TLR cameras....

quercusa 4y ago
I had a YashicaMat, which was a cheap TLR, but Plus-X through that was gorgeous.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Yeah, got a Yaschica Mat 124G. It's a great film camera.
kweks 4y ago
If you're in the market, I can suggest the Fuji TX-2 - which is exactly the same camera. They're both expensive, but you pay more for the Hasselblad logo.

ulnarkressty 4y ago

The pictures it produces have a very 'filmic' quality to them, as we are accustomed to the anamorphic format of motion pictures. Always wanted one after seeing Kai's pictures on this DigitalRev video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38plXCYCvKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38plXCYCvKQ Seeing how it has such a cult following and how much the prices have shot up on eBay, it boggles the mind that they won't make another version. There are a number of DIY projects on various websites that use medium format lenses with integrated shutters, however they usually end up quite expensive as well.

kweks 4y ago
It really is an incredible piece of kit. I'd picked mine up (the Fuji TX-2 version) on a trip to Hong Kong for 2kUSD at the time. Dragged it literally around the world, but stopped using it because it was starting to show the wear, and I was scared of ruining it. I've shot a lot of digital and film since then, but nothing has ever come close to capturing the sheer beauty that drops out of this camera. Shooting on slide film and then diving in with a loupe abd a lightbox is like reliving the moment. If anyone is interested, this is my first roll of film from the camera (on the legendary Fuji Velvia 50 no less) http://travel.ninjito.com/2006-09-22 http://travel.ninjito.com/2006-09-22