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Congrats to the element team for delivering the first decentralized messaging system that can be used in a modern context (open, full E2EE, hostable and not onl

by theK 4y ago

Congrats to the element team for delivering the first decentralized messaging system that can be used in a modern context (open, full E2EE, hostable and not only text oriented) Plus points for showing the world that you don't need a blockchain for this :-)

rvz 4y ago
> Plus points for showing the world that you don't need a blockchain for this :-) Who said you did need it for this feature in the first place? I don't think anyone did. Since no one suggested to use a blockchain for this particular feature, it is more likely that crypto supporters want to add crypto wallets in messengers which is what most competitors have already done, unlike Element. Notably Signal which still has a crypto wallet where I see many Signal fans getting extremely upset about that. You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done.
- Arathorn 4y ago
  > You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done. That is not going to happen.
- xorcist 4y ago
  Not likely since the Matrix ecosystem seems to be open source even in practice, where outside development is accepted and encouraged. Disabling features is unproblematic. The other systems you mentioned is either all proprietary or has limited source code availability where there's no practical way to fork it or develop it further.
- theK 4y ago
  Signal is not decentralized and I don't really see how it could compete with what matrix has to offer. The Blockchain comment is a jab at all the "crypto messengers" out there like obsidian, echo, status and the like.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  >You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done. Why? You can just not use it. I didn't even know Signal had those features, so I don't see how it can affect my life.
  - fl0id 4y ago
    Because it takes away development resources from actually useful things. And f.e. taking the examples of Signal and Keybase, both their crypto wallets/implementations are about the most useless possible. Keybase b/c I know no one who actually uses it as a messenger and it uses stellar/lumens, Signal b/c it is apparently impossible in most countries to actually get tokens to load / unload your wallet.

by theK 4y ago

rvz 4y ago

> Plus points for showing the world that you don't need a blockchain for this :-) Who said you did need it for this feature in the first place? I don't think anyone did. Since no one suggested to use a blockchain for this particular feature, it is more likely that crypto supporters want to add crypto wallets in messengers which is what most competitors have already done, unlike Element. Notably Signal which still has a crypto wallet where I see many Signal fans getting extremely upset about that. You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done.

Arathorn 4y ago
> You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done. That is not going to happen.
xorcist 4y ago
Not likely since the Matrix ecosystem seems to be open source even in practice, where outside development is accepted and encouraged. Disabling features is unproblematic. The other systems you mentioned is either all proprietary or has limited source code availability where there's no practical way to fork it or develop it further.
theK 4y ago
Signal is not decentralized and I don't really see how it could compete with what matrix has to offer. The Blockchain comment is a jab at all the "crypto messengers" out there like obsidian, echo, status and the like.
sebzim4500 4y ago
>You better pray and hope that Element does not introduce a crypto wallet, just like what Signal, Session, Keybase has done. Why? You can just not use it. I didn't even know Signal had those features, so I don't see how it can affect my life.
- fl0id 4y ago
  Because it takes away development resources from actually useful things. And f.e. taking the examples of Signal and Keybase, both their crypto wallets/implementations are about the most useless possible. Keybase b/c I know no one who actually uses it as a messenger and it uses stellar/lumens, Signal b/c it is apparently impossible in most countries to actually get tokens to load / unload your wallet.