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How much do optional extras weight? Why the fuck should I waste fuel everyday driving these options I don’t want or need.

by pixxel 4y ago

nabla9 4y ago
You don't. You don't own it. Products are rarely targeted to whole population. They are marketed to segments. BMW cares only about what their customers think. They don't care about you and they know their average customer.
vincnetas 4y ago
Probably less than your backpack with a laptop. I would guess its effect on fuel consumption is less than error margin.
HyprMusic 4y ago
I've switched out my seats for heated ones and the difference is an extra block on the seat loom and some metallic slivers in the upholstery. I have noticed absolutely no difference in my fuel economy and, being a nerd, I data log everything.
- dinom 4y ago
  Of course this line of reasoning is extremely prone to a "sorites paradox". What happens when all kinds of other things are also disabled in the vehicle.... the radio? air conditioning compressor? motorized seat adjustment? etc? Pretty soon the weight of those things will actually impact fuel efficiency in a meaningful way. Otherwise why not just drive a tractor trailer around?
  - HyprMusic 4y ago
    It's a false equivalency, air conditioning units are expensive, require extra lines, a bigger belt... Besides, it comes as standard on all models.. unlike heated seats. The radio would be a software update so I can't see how that would add any weight? This is a cheap, weightless feature that is regularly retrofitted. Don't like the concept? Buy the heated seats outright when you spec the car, it'll get coded into your VO and you'll be able to use that feature right up until we run out of petrol.
    - dinom 4y ago
      I'm not saying that I don't like the concept... if that's what the car manufacturer thinks will get them a better profit it's up to them. I don't see the false equivalency however. Heated seats are technically an extra physical item just like many other features of the car. Some people don't need them, nor air conditioners, nor radios. Some people may just want a frame, engine and body. It seems the manufacturer, in this case, has simply chosen to ignore the wishes of those consumers. After all, BMW is known to be a luxury car brand and usually won't target value conscious consumers. Reminds me of Lee Iacocca's funny, paradoxical quote... "People want economy and they will pay any price to get it". Including fooling themselves into thinking heating elements weigh nothing. Marketing departments will run with this and spin anything they can into extra profit; good on them! If you want, be my guest and buy the option to rent heated seats from BMW :-)

How much do optional extras weight? Why the fuck should I waste fuel everyday driving these options I don’t want or need.

by pixxel 4y ago

How much do optional extras weight? Why the fuck should I waste fuel everyday driving these options I don’t want or need.

nabla9 4y ago

You don't. You don't own it. Products are rarely targeted to whole population. They are marketed to segments. BMW cares only about what their customers think. They don't care about you and they know their average customer.

vincnetas 4y ago

Probably less than your backpack with a laptop. I would guess its effect on fuel consumption is less than error margin.

HyprMusic 4y ago

I've switched out my seats for heated ones and the difference is an extra block on the seat loom and some metallic slivers in the upholstery. I have noticed absolutely no difference in my fuel economy and, being a nerd, I data log everything.

dinom 4y ago
Of course this line of reasoning is extremely prone to a "sorites paradox". What happens when all kinds of other things are also disabled in the vehicle.... the radio? air conditioning compressor? motorized seat adjustment? etc? Pretty soon the weight of those things will actually impact fuel efficiency in a meaningful way. Otherwise why not just drive a tractor trailer around?
- HyprMusic 4y ago
  It's a false equivalency, air conditioning units are expensive, require extra lines, a bigger belt... Besides, it comes as standard on all models.. unlike heated seats. The radio would be a software update so I can't see how that would add any weight? This is a cheap, weightless feature that is regularly retrofitted. Don't like the concept? Buy the heated seats outright when you spec the car, it'll get coded into your VO and you'll be able to use that feature right up until we run out of petrol.
  - dinom 4y ago
    I'm not saying that I don't like the concept... if that's what the car manufacturer thinks will get them a better profit it's up to them. I don't see the false equivalency however. Heated seats are technically an extra physical item just like many other features of the car. Some people don't need them, nor air conditioners, nor radios. Some people may just want a frame, engine and body. It seems the manufacturer, in this case, has simply chosen to ignore the wishes of those consumers. After all, BMW is known to be a luxury car brand and usually won't target value conscious consumers. Reminds me of Lee Iacocca's funny, paradoxical quote... "People want economy and they will pay any price to get it". Including fooling themselves into thinking heating elements weigh nothing. Marketing departments will run with this and spin anything they can into extra profit; good on them! If you want, be my guest and buy the option to rent heated seats from BMW :-)